Revan vs. Gungans

Despite the nicety of having those shields, the Gungans can't rely on them for long. Either the Sith Empire will bombard them until the power dies or the apparatus fails, or they will walk through them and blow up everything from there.

The Gungans fared moderately well against the droids at first because of their energy weapons that could disable droids and electronics.

I doubt that Revan's army is secretly all robots.

Yet again, people ignore the simple fact that those shields are made up of the same property that Obiwan and Qui Gon walked through, to get to the underwater cities. So I have a hard time believing it would be ANY different on the field of battle.

Cam you prove that?

Conclusively? No. However if you look closely, there's really no difference between their shield, and the substance used to separate their cities from the actual water.

Except for the fact that they have been termed as different things. One serves the purpose of keeping water out and drying anyone who comes through it. The other keeps out artillery fire and blasters.

But no matter. You can walk through either of them.

What were they termed exactly? Because I see them as the exact same properties.

First: the Sith Empire curbstomps the Gungans. Though it is true that Gungan shields will stave off blasterfire from Sith infantry (as they did stave off the Trade Federation's artillery, which is superior to Revan's) -- his Sith troops will walk through and burn 'em all down. Not to mention Revan is one of the tactical gods of the Star Wars mythos.

If Force Storms can overwhelm droids, ships, etc.

Darth Revan's Force Storms can overwhelm ships? Since when?

Not Darth Revan per se. Force Storms in general seem to have that ability though, which makes a good deal of sense. Revan can supposively generate a decent sized Sith lightning storm on his own, as can Malak to a lesser extent.

Was Malak even canonically stated to know any variations of the force storm?

He used Force lightning in spurts on Bastila when he was converting her. Since this ability is related to Force Storm, it's the case that Malak can use an inferior version of Force Lightning.

OK then, one question: is this a pure land fight or a air-land battle? Also, is this an infantry fight or combined arms one? I am just asking for clarification on this.

One is the Gungan shield generator, the other is a hydrostatic energy field. 😉

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Not Darth Revan per se. Force Storms in general seem to have that ability though, which makes a good deal of sense. Revan can supposively generate a decent sized Sith lightning storm on his own, as can Malak to a lesser extent.

I need to bust out my copy of KotoR again, then. Are you confusing the two Force Storms? One is Force lightning on steroids used by multiple Force-wielders in the KotoR-era; the other uses the Force to summon a tear in space/time (a hyperspace wormhole) that can disintigrate fleets and rip the surfaces off worlds -- Revan, to my knowledge, has not used such an attack.

Not that it matters, since he owns the Gunguns anyways.

Originally posted by Gideon
I need to bust out my copy of KotoR again, then. Are you confusing the two Force Storms? One is Force lightning on steroids used by multiple Force-wielders in the KotoR-era; the other uses the Force to summon a tear in space/time (a hyperspace wormhole) that can disintigrate fleets and rip the surfaces off worlds -- Revan, to my knowledge, has not used such an attack.

Not that it matters, since he owns the Gunguns anyways.

I'm not confusing either of them, really. All EU sources indicate that variations of Sith Lightning are related, it's simply a matter of scale and personal power. We know Sidious can make a Force Storm big enough to envelop an armada. We also know that Revan uses a similar attack and though it's not the case that they are exactly comparable, even a smaller scale Force Storm should be sufficient to overload a packanimal-mounted shield generator.

I'm not confusing either of them, really.

Unless I'm mistaken, you are. You seem to be comparing two very different Force techniques and concluding that they yield the same result and this is not the case. Darth Revan's "Force Storm" is literally a storm of Force lightning; from what we've seen, it does not exhibit anything near the power or magnitude capable of devastating ships. The only Force Storm capable of destroying ships is the technique used by Emperor Palpatine.

They are not the same thing.

All EU sources indicate that variations of Sith Lightning are related, it's simply a matter of scale and personal power.

Janus, Emperor Palpatine's Force Storm and Revan's Force Storm are not the same thing. They are two different attacks.

We know Sidious can make a Force Storm big enough to envelop an armada.

He can create a tear in space-time -- thus forming a hyperspace wormhole. It's not enhanced Force-lightning.

We also know that Revan uses a similar attack and though it's not the case that they are exactly comparable,

The only thing similar about the two techniques is the name, Janus. I repeat: they are not the same thing.

even a smaller scale Force Storm should be sufficient to overload a packanimal-mounted shield generator.

Oh, I have no doubt. And even if it couldn't, Revan still has this fight. But the claim was made that it could destroy ships. I have yet to see any evidence that supports that claim, and you seem to be confusing the two attacks.

Janus, Palpatine's force storm is a different thing completely: There's no lightning: It's essentially a wormhole that tears the very fabric of space with sheer destructive force.

The KOTOR force storm is extremely powerful lightning

There are essentially three types fo Force Storm:
The KOTOR lightning one
Palpatine's one, described as the most destructive dark side technique there is
And lastly, one that creates a literal storm (As seen from the Nightsisters

Alright, fine. Fine. I was wrong. It's different. BFD, Escape. I put "ships" in there because I figured the attacks were similar. They're apparently not. I'm not going to argue this into the ground when the comment was carelessly thrown in there in the first place.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Alright, fine. Fine. I was wrong. It's different. BFD, Escape. I put "ships" in there because I figured the attacks were similar. They're apparently not. I'm not going to argue this into the ground when the comment was carelessly thrown in there in the first place.

What the hell, Janus? This isn't exactly some passionate, die-hard argument. Once again, I was being polite and merely trying to ascertain if Revan somehow had exhibited power I was unaware of.

Either you have some serious issues with being proven wrong or you've had a really bad day. Either way, it kind've contradicts the light-hearted PM I got from you a few weeks ago.

Try to summon the maturity and patience that one would think you've developed as a damn adult.

I personally thought you leapt all over the comment like a wild animal, tearing it apart when it was apparent that it wasn't a big deal to anyone either way, Escape. You put in your reply six times back-to-back that they're not the same thing, like I'm some sort of idiot, and then of course Lightsnake drops out of hyperspace and says the same damn thing again.

If I sounded a bit put off by your response, it's entirely accurate. This doesn't mean I have "issues" being wrong, or else I wouldn't have admitted it. It simply means that I thought your response was overkill and belittling, despite how polite you thought it to be.

It's one thing to be wrong from time to time, but at least I wasn't viciously defending something I clearly am not the expert on. If you feel you have to tell me six times in a post that two things are different, expect me to be less than thrilled with it.

This shouldn't be a big deal and I don't intend to make it one, but if you intend to treat me like I'm some sort of KMC newbie idiot and dissect my post repeating the same thing that's not polite behavior.

Heh, sorry, too, Janus, I guess I was just pointing some things out....any reticent irritation is my having dealt with the same subject matter a thousand times before having spent two hours learning all there is to know about the 1700s religious revival from dry textbooks