Originally posted by Supermanluv
How exactly would he have Galaxies worth of power ? Do you something I dont ?
John Byrne himself has confirmed that Superman's strength also comes from a psionic ability to enhance his strength. The amount of solar energy he's converted determines the amount of strength his psionic potential provides. You must don't know about the greatest feat of strength in comics do you? If not then I will be glad to tell you about it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
superman not holding back beats any gl. end of discussion.
'Any' is a very powerful word. One of the most powerful words in normal English usage, and in most languages (unless you want to get into Sanskrit).
Superman cannot defeat ANY GL, even when he is not holding back (and Kal appears to almost always be holding back ....it is rare to see him let lose, but when he does it is always spectacular).
Let me quickly name one GL that would defeat Superman EASY ....Sodam Yat.
Greatest GL of all, and a Daxamite on top of that. Daxamites are essentially Kryptonians who left Krypton ages ago, and have same physiology and abilities apart from divergent weaknesses.
Sodam Yat inside the sun, as a Daxamite, would have all of his abilities amped to the zenith (just like Kal's would), BUT on top of that he would have his abilities as the greatest GL of all.
Kal would have no chance whatsoever.
But ...let me at least say I get the point you were driving at. A Kryptonian (or Daxamite for that matter) going all out with no holding back would be a veritable juggernaut .....really hard to stop since they would be pushing forth at a level seldom seen (even in comics). For one speedwise the Kryptonian would appear to be everywhere, he would be using his sensory perception to know nearly everything within a certain radii (e.g. tendons flexing, increased blood flow in certain regions of the brain in anticipation of x and y, etc), and with a wide variety of powers (e.g. solar level heat, zero kelvin level cold, hgih decibel sound, supreme density fists backed by sub-luminal speed, etc) would be able to decimate most opponents.
And this is before a sun-dip (which is why you might understand i was totally against your Black Adam vs Sun-dipped Superman thread ....especially per KMC rules which would negate the MAIN advanatge Adam has - that he doesn't hold back -, plus the fact Superman would be out for a kill, that he has ranged attacks, and that the sun would amp ALL of his abilities, including resistance to magic).
Anyways, on this thread i concur with you that Superman, unleashed and unabated, would bring down many characters.
And even GLs would find it hard ....but a GL like Sodam Yat would devastate Superman (even inside the sun) since he would have all of Kal's abilities, PLUS a GL ring.
Originally posted by spetznaz
'Any' is a very powerful word. One of the most powerful words in normal English usage, and in most languages (unless you want to get into Sanskrit).Superman cannot defeat ANY GL, even when he is not holding back (and Kal appears to almost always be holding back ....it is rare to see him let lose, but when he does it is always spectacular).
Let me quickly name one GL that would defeat Superman EASY ....Sodam Yat.
Greatest GL of all, and a Daxamite on top of that. Daxamites are essentially Kryptonians who left Krypton ages ago, and have same physiology and abilities apart from divergent weaknesses.
Sodam Yat inside the sun, as a Daxamite, would have all of his abilities amped to the zenith (just like Kal's would), BUT on top of that he would have his abilities as the greatest GL of all.
Kal would have no chance whatsoever.
But ...let me at least say I get the point you were driving at. A Kryptonian (or Daxamite for that matter) going all out with no holding back would be a veritable juggernaut .....really hard to stop since they would be pushing forth at a level seldom seen (even in comics). For one speedwise the Kryptonian would appear to be everywhere, he would be using his sensory perception to know nearly everything within a certain radii (e.g. tendons flexing, increased blood flow in certain regions of the brain in anticipation of x and y, etc), and with a wide variety of powers (e.g. solar level heat, zero kelvin level cold, hgih decibel sound, supreme density fists backed by sub-luminal speed, etc) would be able to decimate most opponents.
And this is before a sun-dip (which is why you might understand i was totally against your Black Adam vs Sun-dipped Superman thread ....especially per KMC rules which would negate the MAIN advanatge Adam has - that he doesn't hold back -, plus the fact Superman would be out for a kill, that he has ranged attacks, and that the sun would amp ALL of his abilities, including resistance to magic).
Anyways, on this thread i concur with you that Superman, unleashed and unabated, would bring down many characters.
And even GLs would find it hard ....but a GL like Sodam Yat would devastate Superman (even inside the sun) since he would have all of Kal's abilities, PLUS a GL ring.
Correct me if I'm wrong Spetz, but weren't you the one who questioned what feats we were using to put Sodam on his pedastal as greatest GL of them all? 😛
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Correct me if I'm wrong Spetz, but weren't you the one who questioned what feats we were using to put Sodam on his pedastal as greatest GL of them all? 😛
Questioning? May not have been me (although I post so sporadically that it might have been, though I cannot recall it). Maybe doing a search with my name for past posts may show, but I highly doubt it was me.
Although as far as I know Sodam is mostly allusion as the greatest GL of them all (in more or less the same way that Superman Prime doesn't have a trunkload of feats).
Although however one takes it, in this particular situation it is a given that Sodam will win. Why? Because he is a Daxamite in the heart of a yellow sun fighting against a Kryptonian at the heart of a yellow sun ....that makes them equal in terms of feats and ampage .....then give Sodam a GL ring.
Now, even if one was to assume he was not 'the greatest' (let's assume he is number 1,000 in terms of ability), that would still make him powerful enough to wipe the floor with Kal. Because both of them are amped, but one of them has a weapon and great skill.
And if Sodam IS infact the greatest, as is stated, then it makes the job all the easier.
The way i look at it is like having a fight between a lion and a tiger ....there is a lot of debate as to which would win (with the demarcation lines being based on where the naturalist stems from ....those who focus on Africa will claim that all male lions do is eat, mate, and fight other lions trying to take over the pride, and thus they would have a fighting advantage. Those specializing in India would claim that on the average tigers tend to be slightly larger than lions. Then you would have a lot of 'junk' science, e.g. the Indian experts would claim that Indian lions - there is a small population in the Gir forest - cannot defeat tigers, but they ignore the fact that African lions are quite larger than Gir lions. African experts will state that the mane of a lion can act as some sort of 'armored scarf,' but the fact is that even though it can be helpful it is more a way to make the lion look more intimidating ....like a cobra's hood. And there are all sorts of tapes made decades ago on fights between lions and tigers, and there is generally a 50/50 win amongst them ....and anyways those fights were stupid, inhumane and worthless ....because at times one animal would be smaller/sicker/weaker/frightened than the other).
Anyways, the two are more or less equal. The Kryptonian and the Daxamite ....the lion and the tiger.
However, the Daxamite has a GL ring and the greatest (?) skill in using it .....the tiger is given adamantium claws and Wolverine level healing factor.
The Daxamite will win ....the tiger with claws and factor will win.
Many DBZ characters have been killed by being thrown into the sun.
Most notable ones have been Koola, freeza's brother. Who btw is much stronger than freeza.
Brolli has died in the sun as well, who is arguably greater than cell.
Babi(if i'm not mistaken) who is much much stronger than buu died from being sent to the sun.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Goku
GOhan
Goten
Future Trunks
Chibi Trunks
Vegeta
Krillin
Tien
Piccolo
Every DBZ Villian from Raditz upwards
Only Yamucha would lose