Originally posted by StyleTimeStrength: NM sends 20 soldiers flying while MASSIVELY weakened, and caught Siegfried's sword while massively weakened as well, with Sieg's body and a complete SE he is much stronger.
Bah, I got some time.Strength:Hayabusa sliced a jet dude. Honestly, he should be able to send soldiers flying if he had a sword a large as Nightmare's as well.
Speed:Any DOA ninja is faster than Nightmare.
Durability:Nightmare due to armor.
Power:Yes, Nightmare can probably unless more destruction in one big blow. Hayabusa could probably unload the same damage on a single or a small number of targets.
Versatility:Hayabusa due to having various ninpo with various effects. He could freeze Nightmare if he wanted.
Misc:Hayabusa, as well as any DOA ninja, always has the advantage a teleportation. Instantly avoiding [b]all
damage is something that can't be overlooked.Skill: Hayabusa has actually had to use skill to overcome vastly superior foes to himself. For all his supposed absorbed skills, Nightmare seems to simply just overpower his opponents. I'd actually give this to Hayabusa.
Hayabusa should take this. [/B]
Speed: I acknowledged Ryu's superior speed, I just said NM for his weapon is pretty fast.
Durability: Agreed, tho NM's hand took Sieg's sword, and from what I could tell the blade did hit his palm.
Power: Yes, NM's big power blast thing is very powerful, and his strikes are more powerful.
Versatility: Agreed.
Skill: Wrong, so wrong it frightens me. NM retain's all the weapon knowledge of his previous hosts, and he uses the Zweihander style, however he has knowledge of how to properly combat any weapon wielding opponent, kinda like a UFC guy, a boxer's main focus will be stand-up fighting, tho he has been trained to defend against other types of fighting like grappling or whatever. Also, NM does not just "overpower his opponents, he has a multitude of stances and knows how to defend properly against opponents.
I think NM CAN win, but it won't be easy, tho if he beats Ryu he clears it because he will have eated Ryu's likely strong soul and will be rejuvenated.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Strength: NM sends 20 soldiers flying while MASSIVELY weakened, and caught Siegfried's sword while massively weakened as well, with Sieg's body and a complete SE he is much stronger.Speed: I acknowledged Ryu's superior speed, I just said NM for his weapon is pretty fast.
Durability: Agreed, tho NM's hand took Sieg's sword, and from what I could tell the blade did hit his palm.
Power: Yes, NM's big power blast thing is very powerful, and his strikes are more powerful.
Versatility: Agreed.
Skill: Wrong, so wrong it frightens me. NM retain's all the weapon knowledge of his previous hosts, and he uses the Zweihander style, however he has knowledge of how to properly combat any weapon wielding opponent, kinda like a UFC guy, a boxer's main focus will be stand-up fighting, tho he has been trained to defend against other types of fighting like grappling or whatever. Also, NM does not just "overpower his opponents, he has a multitude of stances and knows how to defend properly against opponents.
I think NM CAN win, but it won't be easy, tho if he beats Ryu he clears it because he will have eated Ryu's likely strong soul and will be rejuvenated.
Bah! You would wait until NOW to respond lol.
Is there actually any proof he's stronger? Are you sure it's not just increased stamina. Without proof, we're just guessing he's stronger.
Speed:I know. I just wanted to say the ninja are faster.
Skill: It's not wrong at all comrade. The funny thing about skill is it fades if you don't use it. For all these billions of years of experience you attribute to Nightmare, he has only shown one style of combat. Assuming he can do more effectively isn't sound. Also, stanes doesn't equate to skill. If it did, Kung Fu guys would run the MMA scene.
MMA also brings me to a different point. Style matchups. Sometimes, fighter A who is generally considered better than fighter B will actually have a hard time with be due to style. A good, recent example of this is Rampage vs Henderson from Saturday. Wanderlei Silva has soundly defeated Rampage TWICE. Henderson, on the other hand, KOed Silva in their match. Usually, this would mean that Henderson is better than Rampage as well. However, as the match showed us, Rampage's style was perfectly suited to take down Henderson.
The video game version of this would be picking Kasumi or Ayane to fight Nightmare. Kasumi should take a majority from her sister, but Ayane has a better chance at Nightmare.
Anyway, I am just going to bring up the most important issue in the fight. I might be gone a while again and need to get the point across. I've actually thought about this match today, and couldn't come up with anything Nightmare could do to any of the ninja if they used this. My day was very uneventful obviously. Hear me out here. It actually comes down to one thing that Superboy Prime already pointed out.
Range. Yes, range. Guys, Hayabusa can levitate so far beyond the reach of Nightmare's blade it wouldn't even be fair. All the while, Hayabusa could use Inazuma ninpo. Nightmare, with his metal covering, is a walking lightning rod. Hayabusa could just shoot fireballs or even freeze Nightmare. If he didn't feel like flying, Hayabusa could simply teleport a safe distance away and blast ninpo all the while backing up. Hayabusa is fully capable of fighting the entire battle without ever coming into melee range.
Honestly, what could Nightmare possibly do? I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually asking just in case there is something I missed. Hayabusa can make himself unhittable if he wants to. It's not like Nightmare could rush him down. He's not fast enough to chase Hayabusa and he sure as hell can not fly should Hayabusa go airborne.
Someone will bring up the the force blast, but I thought of that too. Unfortunately for Nightmare, he can only use that attack when transforming into Night Terror. He is limited to Nightmare is this bout. Without that attack, he won't be able to beat Ayane either. The only other option is throwing his sword and we all know that would be a stupid move. Honestly, Nightmare has no answer to this. Meanwhile, Hayabusa has plenty of options to anything Nightmare can do.
I guess to turn it into one question. What can Nightmare do if the ninja fight out of his range the whole battle?
(Violent2Dope, this wasn't directed solely at you, but to all who think Nightmare will win. I don't think you're giving Nightmare the win, but just saying he could do it if the situation highly favored him. Although, maybe you are saying he'll win.)
-Range isn't a deal. Nightmare's shockwave is a blast that blows away bodies and incinerates everything within the attack's vicinity. Watch the intro again, for the second time.
-Hayabusa's ninpo wouldn't get past the shockwave, trust me. Nightmare's invulnerable to fire, also, as shown in the SCIV trailer.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Is there actually any proof he's stronger? Are you sure it's not just increased stamina. Without proof, we're just guessing he's stronger.
He swiped like 10 men into the air with just one swing with his fist 🙄 His two-handed sword [Which is the size of Hayabusa] flies elegantly trough the opponents when Nightmare is only using one hand.
As of range, if you look at the intro video again you will see that he creates a powerful and devestating field that is quite 'badass' and quite big 😛
Originally posted by shin_gear
-Range isn't a deal. Nightmare's shockwave is a blast that blows away bodies and incinerates everything within the attack's vicinity. Watch the intro again, for the second time.-Hayabusa's ninpo wouldn't get past the shockwave, trust me. Nightmare's invulnerable to fire, also, as shown in the SCIV trailer.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Someone will bring up the the force blast, but I thought of that too. Unfortunately for Nightmare, he can only use that attack when transforming into Night Terror.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl
[b]He swiped like 10 men into the air with just one swing with his fist 🙄 His two-handed sword [Which is the size of Hayabusa] flies elegantly trough the opponents when Nightmare is only using one hand.
Re: Nightmare runs the Cowgirl gauntlet!
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl
[b]At his prime
Short rest and no healing of wounds 🪩
The setting is a random mountain chain where one foe arrives one to two minutes after another one falls!
1st foe; 200 average swordsmen! [All at once]
2nd foe; Ryu Hayabusa [DoA]!
3rd foe; 100 average pikemen! [All at once]
4th foe; Hayate [DoA]
5th foe; 25 average knights [All at once]
6th foe; Ayane [DoA]
[/B]
He'll clear it..
200 average footmen isn't even worth the sweat for him.. It doesn't take long until they are all gone..
The fact that Ryu can use ranged attacks doesn't really matter.. All Nightmare has to do is run, hide and wait until Hayabusa get tired of fighting.. Nightmare lives forever, but Ryu has a lifespan, and he has to eat.. He needs sleep.. Rest.. Recovery.. So basicly, if Nightmare cannot reach, he doesn't have to fight.. Hayabusa cannot levitate forever, and Nightmare is fast and staminant.. He can run for a long time.. He have lived for thousands and more thousands to that amount of years, and waiting a couple of hours or days wont be a bad thought.. Sooner or later, Hayabusa has to give in to the term Nightmare put, about ground battle.. Then he is screwed, as a couple of swift strikes mean nothing to the armored monster..
100 pikemen, is just about the same as the footmen, only less.. They have long pikes, but he got a long sword..
Hayate.. From what I saw in the DOA3 Ultimate video, he can create and cast lighting.. From what I understood in the Soul-Calibur video, Nightmare is resistant to lighting.. And, since Hayate isn't as skilled as Ryu, and Nightmare doesn't get tired easily, he's pretty much a goner too..
25 knights.. Same as pikemen.. No match..
Ayane.. All Nightmare has to do is enforce himself with the stolen souls and he'll be strong enough to end the fight quickly.. Going an all out against the final opponent.. He can afford to push himself to the limit, as it'll be the end of the girl..
Re: Re: Nightmare runs the Cowgirl gauntlet!
Originally posted by Darth Extecute
The fact that Ryu can use ranged attacks doesn't really matter.. All Nightmare has to do is run, hide and wait until Hayabusa get tired of fighting.. Nightmare lives forever, but Ryu has a lifespan, and he has to eat.. He needs sleep.. Rest.. Recovery.. So basicly, if Nightmare cannot reach, he doesn't have to fight.. Hayabusa cannot levitate forever, and Nightmare is fast and staminant.. He can run for a long time.. He have lived for thousands and more thousands to that amount of years, and waiting a couple of hours or days wont be a bad thought.. Sooner or later, Hayabusa has to give in to the term Nightmare put, about ground battle.. Then he is screwed, as a couple of swift strikes mean nothing to the armored monster..Hayate.. From what I saw in the DOA3 Ultimate video, he can create and cast lighting.. From what I understood in the Soul-Calibur video, Nightmare is resistant to lighting.. And, since Hayate isn't as skilled as Ryu, and Nightmare doesn't get tired easily, he's pretty much a goner too..
Ayane.. All Nightmare has to do is enforce himself with the stolen souls and he'll be strong enough to end the fight quickly.. Going an all out against the final opponent.. He can afford to push himself to the limit, as it'll be the end of the girl..
He is pretty skilled considering he beat Ryu. He also has the same option of keeping the battle at range. He will be easier to take than Hayabusa however. I'm not sure why he was above Hayabusa.
He is limited to being just Nightmare here, so the souls won't help much. She also has the option of range combat.
Nightmare stops at any of the ninja. He may beat Hayate though.