Originally posted by shin_gear
You've watched both videos, haven't you? By then you would know the Devil Incarnate can/has:Considering the first video,
1. Turn a vast garden into a burning hell within seconds.
2. Lift and explode ground from underneath.
3. Resistance to lava.
Regarding second video:
1. Disintegrate a person with a single hit of Dark Dragon Blade.
2. Travel really fast.
3. Knock opponents off gaurd with single strikes.
4. Summon a Black Dragon to come to take away the soul of the opponent.
Those videos were not supposed to show you what Hayabusa can do with the blade. Ryu never acquired said weapon since he isn't evil. Instead, he used the True Dragon Sword against it, which is essentially the most effective weapon that could counter the power contained within the Dark Dragon Blade.
However, since it has been stated that Ryu could pick any weapon from his arsenal in the opening post, he can use the DDB as it's part of his arsenal in the game, and said weapon can be picked and used to fight enemies. Once again, he doesn't use it in the story since he's the good guy. What would actually happen if he was to use the DDB is the same thing you saw happen to both of those beings in the video.
I really don't think you should just off the bat say that Hayabusa stands little chances against your characters considering all that's been said, and considering you apparently have little knowledge of the world of Ninja Gaiden. I'm not trying to be mean or anything. It's not like I said no one in the gauntlet would have little chances to defeat Ryu either, considering I myself do not know of the other guys, which is why I don't make statements such as he/she would very unlikely defeat him. I simply gave my opinion that Hayabusa could clear it, but you're making it sound like he has very low chances even as being basically the most powerful entity in the Gaiden universe...
First video-
1. From what it appeared, the garden was an illusion. Or it could be a triggered event, as nothing indicates it is the actual sword that does it.. I mean, he fell trough a deep black hole and wind up at a sunny, roofless paradise.. Then he suddenly was in a cave, where he fought this monster..
2. Illidan is resistant to fire and extremely endurant, which means that an explosion is not that big of a deal.. And like C. C. kindly mentioned earlier, he can walk on water.. But the fact is not that he walks on water.. He walks above the water.. He levitates, and walks in the air ((As a cool side-effect, he makes the water beneath him burn as he walks))
3. As Illidan has hooves that create fire and flames themselves as he walk, and he is resistant to fire and since he can set himself on fire in the actual Warcraft game, combined with the fact that he levitates.. I do not think a sea of lava is a threat for Illidan if DDB decides to summon it..
Second video-
1. I saw the attack and it was pretty neat.. However it was a decapitation and that would cause the death of most people, no matter what sword they get cut by..
At 02:27 Illidan makes a leap.. In order to travel such height and in such speed, you got to have great muscles in your leg.. Especially considering his size and weight.. We have never actually seen Illidan run, but that's only because he have never needed to.. He've always been capable of keeping himself in control of the situation..
3. Illidan knocked Arthas the Death Knight off guard with a few strikes, and that my friend, is a merit.. Arthas as the deathknight is extremely heavy, and he wields the frostmourn, which is one of the most powerful swords in Azeroth..
4. Illidan brought an entire race back to life by using black magic.. He consumed the skull of Gul'Dan.. I believe that Ryu Hayabusa will never face anyone as cunning in magic as Illidan.. He even sacreficed his eyes in order to master magic, that was given to him by the great titan Sargeras..
He successfully enslaved Magtheridon, ruler of Outlands.. Magtheridon is a powerful pitlord, but I wont push it and say he's stronger than Mannoroth, because I dont know.. But I know he's very powerful and that it required highly advance magical enchantments to keep him in place..
Since Illidan understands all art of magic, I think his soul is safeguarded from the soul-feasting dragon..
The reason I'm judging Hayabusa, is because he's a ninja, and he's a human.. It's hard not too, as Illidan is a corrupted half-elf/half-demon that have been given powers by both Sargeras and has the powers and memories of Gul'Dan.. That possess the understanding of all magic.. He was even born with supreme magical strength beyond what normal elves could hold, and elves are keepers of magic for a reason..
I'm sorry if your not willing to debate wether Ryu can make it trough or not, but you are quite clearly implying that he would pull it of, against 5 horribly talented warriors ((To a degree)) where two of them are among the most powerful beings on Azeroth..
Since you do believe this, and I dont, then we bring a purpose to this thread..
We are meant to debate on this forum if we have difference of opinions, until one of us give in.. It is what Vs Forums are about.. And since I know so little about Hayabusa, and your talk of him and the sword is nothing but speculations as he hasn't actually used it... Can you honestly blame me for continue the debate? Your point is an speculation of what could happen, while all the information I've providen is fact..
Teach me about Ryu Hayabusa, since I know very little of him.. Maybe once I get to know him better, I'll give in to your ideas about how he can defeat Illidan..
Originally posted by Burning thought
what we have to remember is that this is him in Warcraft 3, not WoW or when he gets Sergerus eyealthough he still may have most of the WoW powers before this, for example the Blades of Azzinoth can summon a pair of large burning elementals and Illidan can shoot laserlike beams which combust anything they hit, for example even concrete bursts into demonic flames
He hasn't grown that much more powerful in WoW.. He has made a few advancements, but the parts that I've mentioned have been there before..
Well I'm not reading all that...lol...not after I said that I gave up two pages ago...but I'll just say this:
1. The garden was not an illusion. You could clearly hear the roses crackling as Ryu gets on his two feet, and we don't hear illusions. Therefore we know that the garden is really there. Also, you do know that even if we consider it an illusion when it's not, the D.I. still has nuked the ground from beneath and caused lava pits to form all over? About the walls that you see, they weren't quite visible at first. The palace Ryu was in before at first seemed to be an illusion of a palace that defied gravity, since it was actually upside down, but it turned out it wasn't one at all.
The sword did not just decapitate the guy. His entire body disintegrated. Only his loose clothes and some of his blood was left behind.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Well I'm not reading all that...lol...not after I said that I gave up two pages ago...but I'll just say this:1. The garden was not an illusion. You could clearly hear the roses crackling as Ryu gets on his two feet, and we don't hear illusions. Therefore we know that the garden is really there. Also, you do know that even if we consider it an illusion when it's not, the D.I. still has nuked the ground from beneath and caused lava pits to form all over? About the walls that you see, they weren't quite visible at first. The palace Ryu was in before at first seemed to be an illusion of a palace that defied gravity, since it was actually upside down, but it turned out it wasn't one at all.
The sword did not just decapitate the guy. His entire body disintegrated. Only his loose clothes and some of his blood was left behind.
Smell, feeling and such doesn't prove anything..
The illusion can be as strong as the illusionist..
This video might be a little irrelevant, but look in this video anywhere between 01:08 and 06:08 and you'll see that the illusion is as strong as the illusionist in cases.. This illusionist managed to create solid illusions..
Giving the D.I. illusionary powers would actually put him above the level that I thought he was at...😂
That basically means that all that he's done to that area still remains to be a feat of his, that is wrecking everything you see during the duration of the video after the "illusion" is gone. You clearly see land and all sorts of debri being destroyed and exploded in the video. If the D.I. indeed has illusionary powers than he could probably, make his opponents see things that he wants them to see. I'm positive that it's not an illusion though, since the entire Emperor's palace would also have to be an illusion, and it's outright ridiculous to say that it is one.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Giving the D.I. illusionary powers would actually put him above the level that I thought he was at...😂That basically means that all that he's done to that area still remains to be a feat of his, that is wrecking everything you see during the duration of the video after the "illusion" is gone. You clearly see land and all sorts of debri being destroyed and exploded in the video. If the D.I. indeed has illusionary powers than he could probably, make his opponents see things that he wants them to see. I'm positive that it's not an illusion though, since the entire Emperor's palace would also have to be an illusion, and it's outright ridiculous to say that it is one.
Or below, as you thought he turned the whole place into an inferno.. There should be subtitles in videos to make sure the watcher knows what he's getting..
Either way, he changed the look of the scene...if you want to believe it's an illusion, that's fine. Our opinions just differ and I can't find a good source confirming that the place went from luscious garden to hell, or vice versa, but the power that it took to perform the feat is not different. If he could nuke land by apparently doing nothing but standing where he is, of course, starting from the instant after the garden has disappeared, I'm sure he can wither away a garden.
Originally posted by Darth ExtecuteCan you show me a pic of Neltharion so I can see how big he is?
Even if he could, that wouldnt help him at all against Illidan, for stated reasons.. And if he did destroy the field, he'd get an even tougher time against Neltharion, as Neltharion is BIG.. The tiny little cave that was created in the video is like.. the leg of Neltharion, at the very least..
Also, you're aware you're saying he's bigger than this entire area:YouTube videoAlso I hate to tell you this, but you haven't really told why Ryu as the Devil Incarnate would not be able to hold his own against Illidan. The greatest thing you mentioned about him was his action of bringing back a race that has been asleep for a long time with magic, or something of that sort, and you mentioned his speed, which doesn't match Ryu's, as he has teleportation and would have flight as a result of becoming the D.I.
I really don't see how Illidan would fare against a Dark Dragon coming to take his soul away. It's fine though, we just have our opinions of how the fight between them would undergo.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Can you show me a pic of Neltharion so I can see how big he is?Also, you're aware you're saying he's bigger than this entire area:Also I hate to tell you this, but you haven't really told why Ryu as the Devil Incarnate would not be able to hold his own against Illidan. The greatest thing you mentioned about him was his action of bringing back a race that has been asleep for a long time with magic, or something of that sort, and you mentioned his speed, which doesn't match Ryu's, as he has teleportation and would have flight as a result of becoming the D.I.
I really don't see how Illidan would fare against a Dark Dragon coming to take his soul away. It's fine though, we just have our opinions of how the fight between them would undergo.
Alright, the area was a little larger than it appears.. There's unfortunatly no pictures accessable with his true size, as he's reduced in the game.. He's of larger size in the books.. But yeah, you're right, as he's probably around the size of that cave, not his leg..
And Illidan is a talented warrior in many many ways.. And his blades make it easier to disarm a foe, and due to his speed he would force Ryu to defenses, and that's never a good position to be in.. Illidan has the size, strength and endurance to play with the ninja...
And I could say the same about you, really.. You haven't exactly told much about the blade, even though you think you might.. You keep telling he becomes the devil's incarnate, and I say big deal.. How he sends a magical dark dragon to attack Illidan and drain his soul.. But since Illidan knows all magic, there's nothing the dragon can do really.. Illidan has a hell lot of stamina and can with ease dodge the dragon with whatever it tries, while fighting Ryu at the same time..
So, what other than wreck the ground, summon a dragon and increase his physical shape and abilities can this sword do for Ryu?
You think that thing is big as the entire area? Wow....rofl...
That dragon is about as big as the Flame Dragon fought in Chapter 12 of the game.
You could say the same about me yes, considering I myself admitted that I don't know that much about those two, or WoW for that matter.
The info I gave is about as much as me saying the Dark Dragon has been growing in power since the dawn of history, and plunged the world into chaos and gave problems to the creator of all elements, Gurdu, who gave birth to all existence.
I've also said that one hit from the blade disintegrated a human leaving only his clothes and blood behind. I've also said that the D.I. can:
1. Teleport.
2. Levitate and travel very fast.
3. Possess massive amounts of durability.
All of these are shown in my videos.
I should also mention that he can create weapons out of thin air (He was shown creating shurikens out of nothing in the video) and shoot omnidirectional beams as well, so his degree of magic is also great. In addition he could defend against magical spells with the Dark Dragon Blade as it blocks all of Hayabusa's ninpo, which isn't surprising since this is no ordinary blade.
What's wrong with saying Ryu could clear this, is that the same as saying he has a 100% chance of clearing it? Saying he could finish it could mean he has a .01% chance of clearing it dude...so saying it's possible that he can only means that it's not impossible, and that is again, my opinion and we share two different ones. Go figure.
Originally posted by shin_gear
You think that thing is big as the entire area? Wow....rofl...That dragon is about as big as the Flame Dragon fought in Chapter 12 of the game.
You could say the same about me yes, considering I myself admitted that I don't know that much about those two, or WoW for that matter.
The info I gave is about as much as me saying the Dark Dragon has been growing in power since the dawn of history, and plunged the world into chaos and gave problems to the creator of all elements, Gurdu, who gave birth to all existence.
I've also said that one hit from the blade disintegrated a human leaving only his clothes and blood behind. I've also said that the D.I. can:
1. Teleport.
2. Levitate and travel very fast.
3. Possess massive amounts of durability.
All of these are shown in my videos.
I should also mention that he can create weapons out of thin air (He was shown creating shurikens out of nothing in the video) and shoot omnidirectional beams as well, so his degree of magic is also great. In addition he could defend against magical spells with the Dark Dragon Blade as it blocks all of Hayabusa's ninpo, which isn't surprising since this is no ordinary blade.
What's wrong with saying Ryu could clear this, is that the same as saying he has a 100% chance of clearing it? Saying he could finish it could mean he has a .01% chance of clearing it dude...so saying it's possible that he can only means that it's not impossible, and that is again, my opinion and we share two different ones. Go figure.
You seem quite new to this whole debate and discussion thing.. Are you?
There's nothing wrong with saying Ryu could clear it, and I've never said anything like it.. Your entitled to your opinion, and I to mine.. That's what makes a debate a debate..
How fun would it be if all threads were made with obvious battles and no one disagreeing?
I disagree with what you say.. He might defeat Illidan, that I can maybe buy.. I highly doubt it, as Illidan is horribly powerful ((Just came to think of the fact that he can transform himself into an even more powerful being, but let's skip that for the moment)).. Lets say, despite all my doubts, that he do live past Illidan, and slay the demonhunter.. The thing that's absolutely certain is that he wont make it trough the rest.. He's wounded and has only a kit of first aid to mend him after each battle.. He'll be a rag at the point where he reach Neltharion, if he even reaches him..