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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm pretty sure everyone sees that? But once it's there the Patriot Act essentially protects itself from common sense or laws.

That type of manipulation has worked since the first caveman told his buddies that the guys on the other side of the river were taking their food. Just because Americans have the most obvious things to target doesn't mean that they're easier to manipulate.

Actually it is.
Americans never really had a distructive force (or a war) on their own soil, apart from 9/11.
That was the first time that a foreign group of people attack Americans on American soil.

Most of Europe has had their towns and cities destroyed by foreign troops in war, and they look at foreign threat little different than Americans do.
Thats why 9/11 was such a shock to Americans.
Perhaps more so than it really should have been.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Actually it is.
Americans never really had a distructive force (or a war) on their own soil, apart from 9/11.
That was the first time that a foreign group of people attack Americans on American soil.

Most of Europe has had their towns and cities destroyed by foreign troops in war, and they look at foreign threat little different than Americans do.
Thats why 9/11 was such a shock to Americans.
Perhaps more so than it really should have been.

The war of 1812.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Actually it is.
Americans never really had a war on their own soil, apart from 9/11.
That was the first time that a foreign group of people attack Americans on American soil.

Sure we've had wars on our own soil. We haven't in a long time, but that doesn't erase the past. It might make it easier for most people to forget, but it doesn't negate their existence.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Most of Europe has had their towns and cities destroyed by foreign troops in war, and they look at foreign threat little different than Americans do.
Thats why 9/11 was such a shock to Americans.
Perhaps more so than it really should have been.

Do you have this much angst over the Swiss?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The war of 1812.

War of colonies. Hardly the same as having WWI or WWII on your soil. 2,260 American troops died.

Hardly comparable to a small scale European wars of 17th and 18th century.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
War of colonies. Hardly the same as having WWI or WWII on your soil. 2,260 American troops died.

Hardly comparable to a small scale European wars of 17th and 18th century.

So, what is your point? Is there some kind of badge you get for living in a part of the world that can't stop killing each other. There have been a lot of wars here in the US. Just ask any Native Americans to tell you about there ancestry.

Most people in the world are way too self concerned to really understand the long term damage of war.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, what is your point? Is there some kind of badge you get for living in a part of the world that can't stop killing each other. There have been a lot of wars here in the US. Just ask any Native Americans to tell you about there ancestry.

Most people in the world are way too self concerned to really understand the long term damage of war.

Perhaps you should go back and read what I have wrote, as I have made my point already.
As for getting bages of distructivness, I think America gets more than many countries in the World.

But in case you need repeating, here it is -

Apart from 9/11 Americans never had a foregin destructive force on their soil, (like, you know, bombs, buildings collapsing, bombings..) nor they had such acts of terrorism (like you know UK had IRA) thus their outlook on the forgein force is DIFFERENT to that of Europeans.

Ask any Native American? I don't think I can, seems most of them have been systematically exterminated.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Ask any Native American? I don't think I can, seems they have all been systematically exterminated. Ethnically cleansed from America.

lil, if were to ask the Native Americans...not only would they say that it were Americans that screw them...but also Europeans who came here seeking gold, land, and other stuff.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
lil, if were to ask the Native Americans...not only would they say that it were Americans that screw them...but also Europeans who came here seeking gold, land, and other stuff.

Exactly. Rich bored Europeans with nothing better to do, but conquer. No denying that.

(suppose you can blame it on the French, they were the first over.)

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Perhaps you should go back and read what I have wrote, as I have made my point already.
As for getting bages od distructivness, I think America gets more than many countries in the World.

But in case you need repeating, here it is -

Apart from 9/11 Americans never had a foregin destructive force on their soil, (like, you know, bombs, buildings collapsing, bombings..) thus their outlook on the forgein force is DIFFERENT to that of Europeans.

Ask any Native American? I don't think I can, seems they have all been systematically exterminated. Ethnically cleansed from America.

It's not what you are saying that is wrong, it is what you are implying. It seems you are implying that Europeans are more realistic then Americans because Europeans have had more blood shed on their home land then Americans. I don't think that makes Europeans more realistic; I think it makes them jaded.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's not what you are saying that is wrong, it is what you are implying. It seems you are implying that Europeans are more realistic then Americans because Europeans have had more blood shed on their home land then Americans. I don't think that makes Europeans more realistic; I think it makes them jaded.

Odd standpoint...seeing as the US are the ones starting/fighting tha major wars lately.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't think I can, seems they have all been systematically exterminated. Ethnically cleansed from America.

Actually given the small initial number and the time since colonisation (500 years) you would expect most of the culture of the Native Americans which was prehistoric by European standards to have gone and the gene pool to have been absorbed by the greater number of European colonisers offspring through marriage. The fact some still live in tribes on reservations is very unusual for any ethnic society after such a long period of being in the minority. Examples of this are the effects of the Roman Empire on bronze age Europe. The movement of Christianity and Islam and how for the most part these religions superseeded the previous belief systems or caused them to scatter.

It's hardly ethnic cleansing ask Keanu Reeves.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Odd standpoint...seeing as the US are the ones starting/fighting tha major wars lately.

Really? When did this war start? Try 1979.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Ask any Native American? I don't think I can, seems most of them have been systematically exterminated.

Though less than 1% of the total U.S. polulation, there are roughly 2.5 million native Americans living in the U.S.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The war of 1812.

Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
Actually given the small initial number and the time since colonisation (500 years) you would expect most of the culture of the Native Americans which was prehistoric by European standards to have gone and the gene pool to have been absorbed by the greater number of European colonisers offspring through marriage. The fact some still live in tribes on reservations is very unusual for any ethnic society after such a long period of being in the minority. Examples of this are the effects of the Roman Empire on bronze age Europe. The movement of Christianity and Islam and how for the most part these religions superseeded the previous belief systems or caused them to scatter.

It's hardly ethnic cleansing ask Keanu Reeves.

Originally posted by Robtard
Though less than 1% of the total U.S. polulation, there are roughly 2.5 million native Americans living in the U.S.

Far more than I expected.

Originally posted by Robtard
Though less than 1% of the total U.S. polulation, there are roughly 2.5 million native Americans living in the U.S.

Originally posted by lord xyz
That's half the people in my county.

The U.K. has 60 million in it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
One. Wow. Lol.

No, It was just all I could think of. 😮

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ask any Native American? I don't think I can

...Because you're not gonna meet too many of them sitting in front of a computer in England.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, It was just all I could think of. 😮

Strange, you can beat us in a war, but you can't beat Vietnam?