Russia tests worlds most powerful vacuum bomb

Originally posted by Fishy
The thing is if Russia were to attack the US or any other Nuclear power then a nuclear response would be very justified. Russia couldn't expect anything else, they would be foolish to attack a nuclear power and expecting anything but a nuclear counter attack.

I agreed with a lot of your post except the above point. A nuclear retaliation would not be justified. Nuclear war is never justified. Ever. Period. We should only use a nuke on aggressive aliens from space. (I know no one will take that seriously...but other than mining on uninhabitable planets, asteroid/comet collision prevention, and saving ourselves from aliens, I can't think of a use for such a nasty weapon.)

Kerby, always buy a Kerby, they beat all the rest in vacume suckieness.

Originally posted by Fishy

I know it's a little rude to just cut such a long post, but I agree pretty much with everything you said

to clarify a little, I do not see any scale conflict between major powers, for reasons you have said. As someone who lives in North America, I don't like to see a shift in conventional weapon power to a nation with a pseudofascist leader who seems to want to prove it's might. I don't feel personally scared, but I do like to be on top.

Also, I do think it undermines MAD, though maybe I overstated my case, I do agree that it still holds. Russia wont make any major moves against NATO, at least at this point 😉 (or ever, lol). It is not as unbalancing as a missile shield or some other type of anti-ballistic missile technology, but then warfare just moves to space or delivery systems adapt.

I don't know. If Russia had the military power to hold any part of Eastern Europe, think it would? If it could really challenge America, would it? lets say MAD isn't around, no nuclear extinction. What do you guys think about China, same question?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agreed with a lot of your post except the above point. A nuclear retaliation would not be justified. Nuclear war is never justified. Ever. Period. We should only use a nuke on aggressive aliens from space. (I know no one will take that seriously...but other than mining on uninhabitable planets, asteroid/comet collision prevention, and saving ourselves from aliens, I can't think of a use for such a nasty weapon.)

So do you believe that Russia could attack the US destroy it's military and take over it's city using only conventional weapons without the US retaliating with Nukes?

If the US would be forced into a position where it's either blow the enemy to smithereens as fast as possible or lose the entire country, then that choice would likely be obvious. Not to mention that the threat of somebody else firing first alone would be enough to make fire first, if I was in charge of the US military that is.

I don't know. If Russia had the military power to hold any part of Eastern Europe, think it would? If it could really challenge America, would it? lets say MAD isn't around, no nuclear extinction. What do you guys think about China, same question?

At this moment Russia wouldn't take Eastern Europe, may be in the future yes. If those nations wouldn't have been part of NATO or the European Union at least, as long as they are Russia can't. Without Nukes. well yes then they could do so in the future. They would be far more likely to succeed and the threat for retaliation would be a lot lower. They would risk an all out war with the US and Europe but that's doable.

As for China, China I think would have invaded other country's long ago if it wasn't for the threat of nuclear weapons.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-09/15/content_6108893_2.htm

OH NO, the Bear is back

Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-09/15/content_6108893_2.htm

OH NO, the Bear is back

Well there you have it, pretty soon they will bomb Helsinki and then London. Before you'll know it we'll all be dead..

Or perhaps nothing will happen.

Exactly, all over the world conutrys are making more and more powerfull bombs, but they all know that if they use them for the designed purpous everyone else has them to fire straight back.