Current Thor (reborn) vs. Black Adam (WW3)

Well I would like to say this. Superman is the greatest hero to ever come out but he isnt as powerful as people dream of him to be. Superman hasnt shown yet since his pre crisis years to go faster than the speed of light (no on panel feat stating that he was going faster than light.). Superman hasnt shown yet to have planet busting strength (was struggling to move the moon by himself, needed the aid of wonderwoman and mm. In his prime form, superman blue, he needed help from wonderwoman and mm to move the earth back in course and youre saying that he is stronger than thor who has moved a being that was stated as being heavier than the planet earth, yeah right.). Thor versatility is what makes him >> superman. Thor has everything that superman has plus interest. People overrate superman so much that it is rediculous. Now having thor go against black adam, this is a good battle and I could see black adam winning some but I still give the edge to thor. If black adam was going against beta ray bill, I would vote for brb also. They just have to much versatility and the dc top guns have not shown any planet busting power yet, like beta ray bill and the group from marvel. You have on panel feats of beta ray bill and gladiator destroying planets with nothing but there fist, can you show me superman, wonderwoman, or black adam pulling the same strength feat, hell naw.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Yes he does travel several times the speed of light,he took wonderwoman there and back in under 2 minutes,and made it from earth to saturn in 4 minutes,he does stuff like that all the time and yes superman is the physical superior or did thor not get physically beat down?thats right he did.

and he did all of this while in space which has no gravity and gives a huge speed increase. Nova can go the speed of light in space but can only go the speed of sound on earth. Superman has never went anywhere close to the speed of light on earth, if he has then please put up a scan. Show me a scan of the narrator ever saying that superman was going the speed of light, trust me you wont find one. Im a superman reader and I have never witnessed it yet. I have seen writers say that he dont come close to that speed anymore but I havent seen a narrator or even superman himself say that he can go close or ever faster than that speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Well I would like to say this. Superman is the greatest hero to ever come out but he isnt as powerful as people dream of him to be.

And he isn’t as weak as you make him out to be. A few months ago I remember you saying he couldn’t even survive a few nuclear missiles.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman hasnt shown yet since his pre crisis years to go faster than the speed of light (no on panel feat stating that he was going faster than light.)..

In Heaven’s Ladder it was stated that Superman could race a Photon to its target, photons move at the speed of light. Superman’s Pre-Crisis Legion history is also back in continuity, which means that some of his old feats as Superboy in the 30th Century might be cannon. We’ll have to wait until the story arc with Superman and the Legion begins to be sure about that.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman hasnt shown yet to have planet busting strength (was struggling to move the moon by himself, needed the aid of wonderwoman and mm. .

He moved the moon at high speeds with Kyle and Wonder Woman. They had to move the Moon into Earth’s atmosphere and then out of Earth’s atmosphere. They weren’t simply just moving the moon, they were moving at high speeds so that the heat of entering the atmosphere would destroy the White Martians. Do you even know what comic that happened in?

Originally posted by carver9
In his prime form, superman blue, he needed help from wonderwoman and mm to move the earth back in course

He moved the Earth with Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter after all of them had been resurrected from the dead. Again, do you know what comic that is from?

And he didn't need help to move the moon while he was in his energy form. He didn't even try to move the Earth while in his Energy Form.

He needed help to move the expanded Moon, because it was several times bigger than the Earth. Again, do you know what comic that is from?

Originally posted by carver9
saying that he is stronger than thor who has moved a being that was stated as being heavier than the planet earth, yeah right.).

And Superman has turned the wheels of Mageddon, while Mageddon itself was bigger than our Solar System.

Not saying Superman is stronger than Thor, just telling you that Superman has caused something bigger than a planet to move.

There was also the time Superman stated he pushed a planet out of orbit but that was off-panel, like Gladiator's planet moving feats.

Originally posted by carver9
you show me superman, wonderwoman, or black adam pulling the same strength feat, hell naw.

Superman was destroying a planet while fighting Zod in the Phantom Zone. The Russian Zod and Superman were destroying a planet while fighting under a Red Sun. The first one was from the For Tomorrow storyline, the other from the Fall of Zod storyline.

Superman has even stated that Supergirl could split the Earth in half.

Most top-tier's from Marvel and DC can destroy planets if they wanted to.

Originally posted by carver9
and he did all of this while in space which has no gravity and gives a huge speed increase. Nova can go the speed of light in space but can only go the speed of sound on earth. Superman has never went anywhere close to the speed of light on earth, if he has then please put up a scan. Show me a scan of the narrator ever saying that superman was going the speed of light, trust me you wont find one. Im a superman reader and I have never witnessed it yet. I have seen writers say that he dont come close to that speed anymore but I havent seen a narrator or even superman himself say that he can go close or ever faster than that speed.

He was going at the speed of light while in black hole. Black holes suck you in at the speed of light, not push you out at the speed of light like you believe.

But hey, Gladiator has only moved FTL in space so I guess that he can’t move faster than light while on Earth.

I guess Sentry can’t either. Maybe not even Surfer since I’ve never seen it stated that he was moving FTL while on Earth. Seems like there aren’t that many characters that can actually go faster than light while not in space.

And how many times do we have to tell you that what writers say don't mean more than what happens On-Panel.

JC has said that Superman can beat Galactus, tear stars in half, and has no limits whatsoever. Of course we don't take that seriously because we go by what happens On-Panel.

Originally posted by Rorschach
And he isn’t as weak as you make him out to be. A few months ago I remember you saying he couldn’t even survive a few nuclear missiles.

In Heaven’s Ladder it was stated that Superman could race a Photon to its target, photons move at the speed of light. Superman’s Pre-Crisis Legion history is also back in continuity, which means that some of his old feats as Superboy in the 30th Century might be cannon. We’ll have to wait until the story arc with Superman and the Legion begins to be sure about that.

He moved the moon at high speeds with Kyle and Wonder Woman. They had to move the Moon into Earth’s atmosphere and then out of Earth’s atmosphere. They weren’t simply just moving the moon, they were moving at high speeds so that the heat of entering the atmosphere would destroy the White Martians. Do you even know what comic that happened in?

He moved the Earth with Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter after all of them had been resurrected from the dead. Again, do you know what comic that is from?

And he didn't need help to move the moon while he was in his energy form. He didn't even try to move the Earth while in his Energy Form.

He needed help to move the expanded Moon, because it was several times bigger than the Earth. Again, do you know what comic that is from?

And Superman has turned the wheels of Mageddon, while Mageddon itself was bigger than our Solar System.

Not saying Superman is stronger than Thor, just telling you that Superman has caused something bigger than a planet to move.

There was also the time Superman stated he pushed a planet out of orbit but that was off-panel, like Gladiator's planet moving feats.

Superman was destroying a planet while fighting Zod in the Phantom Zone. The Russian Zod and Superman were destroying a planet while fighting under a Red Sun. The first one was from the For Tomorrow storyline, the other from the Fall of Zod storyline.

Superman has even stated that Supergirl could split the Earth in half.

Most top-tier's from Marvel and DC can destroy planets if they wanted to.

Instead of you telling me that they destroyed planets, I would like for you to show me a scan. By the way when superman and zod was fighting, it wasnt them that was destroying their surrounding, the entire place was coming apart. Superman or zod had anything to do with that.

I would love to see this scan of superman stating that he pushed a planet out of orbit when he needed to sun dip to move war world because he couldnt do it under his own power.

Why do people keep bringing up the one time feat of superman turning the wheels of Mageddon. Sentry has held the cosmic cube that was stated as having the weight of the galaxy but hasnt desplayed that kind of strength since then. That was a one time feat for superman that will never happen.

And since we are going by writers and you said that a writer said that superman can race a photon, Im going to use against you AGAIN what a writer has stated. Writer Brian azzarello stated that superman top speed is 2000 mps. In marvel #158 it was stated during a interview by jim lee that superman top speed is 2000mps, so someone has to be lying. Could I take your word over what the writers said.

Superman has never destroyed a planet with his own physical power. Superman has never displayed planet busting power. It has never been said on panel that superman can go or even reach the speed of light. On panel it was stated from superman own mouth that he cant go that fast, TWICE.

Superman is a powerful characters and one of the greatest heros but again he is far away from being the most powerful.

By the way Rorschach, how do you always find my posts. Anytime I bring up anything about superman your always there.

Originally posted by Rorschach
He was going at the speed of light while in black hole. Black holes suck you in at the speed of light, not push you out at the speed of light like you believe.

But hey, Gladiator has only moved FTL in space so I guess that he can’t move faster than light while on Earth.

I guess Sentry can’t either. Maybe not even Surfer since I’ve never seen it stated that he was moving FTL while on Earth. Seems like there aren’t that many characters that can actually go faster than light while not in space.

And how many times do we have to tell you that what writers say don't mean more than what happens On-Panel.

JC has said that Superman can beat Galactus, tear stars in half, and has no limits whatsoever. Of course we don't take that seriously because we go by what happens On-Panel.

You take it serious but its kind of hard for me to believe any of what was said from you about superman since you give him powers above what he has.

Silver surfer went faster than the speed of light on earth during the time that he fought vision inside of a volcanoe. It was stated on panel when he was searching for the avengers that he was going light speed. Sentry might cant go the speed of light until proven other wise. When was it ever stated that sentry can go the speed of light. Even though he is one of my favorite characters right now, he might cant go that fast since it wasnt shown on panel yet. Gladiator has moved as fast as light on earth and it was in a short distance. I have shown you scans of this but take it how you want.

Every character that you name has shown on panel feats of them going faster than light on earth. Youre just using them to try to back up superman not being able to go that fast. You have no on panel feats, you just keep bringing up superman inside of a black hole (by the way, when gladiator was going through space (not fussing), it was stated ON PANEL that gladiator was going 100 times the speed of light. You see the difference between you saying it and the narrator saying it. gladiator actually has proof of his speed.).

I have a question for ya. If I was writing a book and I said that my character has enough telekinetic powers that he could move a mountain, would you believe it. I would because Im the writer, I can give my character anything that they want. If the writer says that superman can only go 2000mps, then that is his max.

Originally posted by carver9
Instead of you telling me that they destroyed planets, I would like for you to show me a scan. By the way when superman and zod was fighting, it wasnt them that was destroying their surrounding, the entire place was coming apart. Superman or zod had anything to do with that.

I would love to see this scan of superman stating that he pushed a planet out of orbit when he needed to sun dip to move war world because he couldnt do it under his own power.

Why do people keep bringing up the one time feat of superman turning the wheels of Mageddon. Sentry has held the cosmic cube that was stated as having the weight of the galaxy but hasnt desplayed that kind of strength since then. That was a one time feat for superman that will never happen.

And since we are going by writers and you said that a writer said that superman can race a photon, Im going to use against you AGAIN what a writer has stated. Writer Brian azzarello stated that superman top speed is 2000 mps. In marvel #158 it was stated during a interview by jim lee that superman top speed is 2000mps, so someone has to be lying. Could I take your word over what the writers said.

Superman has never destroyed a planet with his own physical power. Superman has never displayed planet busting power. It has never been said on panel that superman can go or even reach the speed of light. On panel it was stated from superman own mouth that he cant go that fast, TWICE.

Superman is a powerful characters and one of the greatest heros but again he is far away from being the most powerful.

By the way Rorschach, how do you always find my posts. Anytime I bring up anything about superman your always there.

If you want scans go to the respect thread.

The planet was coming apart after Superman and Zod started fighting in Superman v2 214. The planet was not coming apart at the end of issue 213.

The scan of Superman stating he moved a planet was posted in the respect thread by snoopdog, go look for it. You might also come across a scan of Superman throwing a ship the size of a small moon out of our solar system. And how many times do I have to ****ing tell you that Superman was moving War World against the power that Imperiex had absorbed? He was just moving War World, he was moving it while it tried to counter measure with all the energy at its disposal.

I could say the something about Sentry and the cosmic cube. It was one time thing, he’ll never do it again. but I won’t, cause I’m not biased like that.

A writer didn’t say in an interview that Superman can race a photon to its target, it was stated in a comic. I go by what happens on-panel, not what writers say during interviews. Did you miss the part where I said I don’t take what Joe Casey said seriously? And Superman has moved over 2000mps on-panel. A writers opinion isn’t going to change that.

Superman has never downright destroyed a planet with just once punch.

But he has said that Supergirl could crack the Earth in half, and threatened the Elementals that he would destroy the Earth and they believed him.

Superman said he couldn’t fly faster than light 8 years ago, he’s moved faster than that since then.

Originally posted by carver9
You take it serious but its kind of hard for me to believe any of what was said from you about superman since you give him powers above what he has.

I go by what's demonstrated on panel or at least said in comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Silver surfer went faster than the speed of light on earth during the time that he fought vision inside of a volcanoe. It was stated on panel when he was searching for the avengers that he was going light speed.

Light speed means he was moving at the speed of light, not beyond it.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry might cant go the speed of light until proven other wise. When was it ever stated that sentry can go the speed of light. Even though he is one of my favorite characters right now, he might cant go that fast since it wasnt shown on panel yet.

According to you Sentry can't go lightspeed. I'll keep that in mind.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator has moved as fast as light on earth and it was in a short distance. I have shown you scans of this but take it how you want.

It said he was moving near the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
Every character that you name has shown on panel feats of them going faster than light on earth.

Sentry? Gladiator? Surfer?

I said faster than light, and so far the closest you got is Surfer moving at the speed of light while on Earth.

Originally posted by carver9
Youre just using them to try to back up superman not being able to go that fast.

Apparently they can't got that fast either.

Originally posted by carver9
You have no on panel feats, you just keep bringing up superman inside of a black hole

I guess I should ignore On-panel feats.

Originally posted by carver9
(by the way, when gladiator was going through space (not fussing), it was stated ON PANEL that gladiator was going 100 times the speed of light. You see the difference between you saying it and the narrator saying it. gladiator actually has proof of his speed.).

And another time Gladiator flew light-years in a few minutes/seconds. That's actually faster than 100 times the speed of light. It doesn't have to be directly stated, you should be able to figure it out. If a character lifts a planet, the entire weight of the planet doesn't have to be stated.

Originally posted by carver9
I have a question for ya. If I was writing a book and I said that my character has enough telekinetic powers that he could move a mountain, would you believe it.

Only if was demonstrated on-panel and didn't contradict several other showings.

Originally posted by carver9
I would because Im the writer, I can give my character anything that they want. If the writer says that superman can only go 2000mps, then that is his max.

Not if it contradicts on-panel showings. Superman has had several different writers, some say he can only move at 2000mps but on-panel showings say otherwise, some say he can beat Galactus, on-panel showings say otherwise.

Moving at the speed of light within the atmosphere is ridiculous, does anyone realize what would happen if something were to move at that speed? The friction alone would tear them to pieces, even someone like Superman would be chipped up, and even if it did not affect him, he would cause global catastrophies at that rate of speed. This is why it is never done and if it is you can consider it PIS. Shit ironman shouldn't be able to fly as fast as he does within the atmosphere, i have a friend that is a pilot and he said that if ironman so much as lifted his head at that speed it would be torn off.

Thor would only beat Black Adam 5/10 why do I say this? because half of those fights may wind up with Thor losing Mjolnir and getting trashed before it returned to his hand. Black Adam is incredibly powerful, he took a direct hit from Super Boy Prime without being knocked out, which made me realize how durable this guy is. I'd say that Super Boy Prime hits harder than Thor does. Even though Black Adam could never take Super Boy Prime, and would most likely wind up as a ping pong ball to him, it was still impressive that a hit like that didn't kill him outright.
This is why I scored the fight so evenly between the two.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
would cause global catastrophies at that rate of speed. This is why it is never done

Yeah, this is why characters don't go light speed or FTL while on Earth. It's not because they can't, but because of the damage they would cause.

Only a few characters like Flash have loopholes to prevent that.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Yeah, this is why characters don't go light speed or FTL while on Earth. It's not because they can't, but because of the damage they would cause.

Only a few characters like Flash have loopholes to prevent that.

and some just cant do it. If superman could he would have said that he was unable to keep up with superboy prime when superman prime stated that he was going to fly through oa at the speed of light. Or superman would be able to keep up with flash when flash is continously tagging him and superman is helpless and unable to do anything.

Some people say that wonder woman also goes that fast but when she was fighting zoom she stated that she was helpless against him because he fight to fast for her. She stated that she was unable to keep up with him because he was punching her at the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
and some just cant do it. If superman could he would have said that he was unable to keep up with superboy prime when superman prime stated that he was going to fly through oa at the speed of light.

Superman never said that he couldn’t keep up with Superboy-Prime. That was Green Lantern, John Stewart that said that. Superboy-Prime said he was going to fly through Oa at the speed of light, but he clearly flew to Oa faster than light.

Earth-2 Superman grabbed a hold of SBP's leg after he said he was going to fly through Oa the light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Or superman would be able to keep up with flash when flash is continously tagging him and superman is helpless and unable to do anything.

The Flash is faster than light, and much faster than Superman.

Superman has kept up with the Flash on some occasions, he's also almost outraced Jay and Jay was forced to steal his speed. Superman has also gotten ahead of a speeding Impulse.

Originally posted by carver9
Some people say that wonder woman also goes that fast but when she was fighting zoom she stated that she was helpless against him because he fight to fast for her. She stated that she was unable to keep up with him because he was punching her at the speed of light.

Yes, Wonder Woman getting hit by someone that has owned Wally, clearly indicates that she's a slow. He wasn't even really punching her at the speed of light, his powers are time based, he's not really moving at super-speed like the Flash. He was also blinking in and out of the time stream.

Wonder Woman also tagged Zoom, but I consider this PIS. She was also blind at the time.

LOL...

Carver is a joke. Period.

i think the point of the recent thor vs ironman battle is that thor wasnt even realy fighting in that battle he just stood there and beatdown ironman without even bothering to make a real effort to try and fight him ( ie no close range mellee)

Originally posted by Rorschach
If you want scans go to the respect thread.

The planet was coming apart after Superman and Zod started fighting in Superman v2 214. The planet was not coming apart at the end of issue 213.

The scan of Superman stating he moved a planet was posted in the respect thread by snoopdog, go look for it. You might also come across a scan of Superman throwing a ship the size of a small moon out of our solar system. And how many times do I have to ****ing tell you that Superman was moving War World against the power that Imperiex had absorbed? He was just moving War World, he was moving it while it tried to counter measure with all the energy at its disposal.

I could say the something about Sentry and the cosmic cube. It was one time thing, he’ll never do it again. but I won’t, cause I’m not biased like that.

A writer didn’t say in an interview that Superman can race a photon to its target, it was stated in a comic. I go by what happens on-panel, not what writers say during interviews. Did you miss the part where I said I don’t take what Joe Casey said seriously? And Superman has moved over 2000mps on-panel. A writers opinion isn’t going to change that.

Superman has never downright destroyed a planet with just once punch.

But he has said that Supergirl could crack the Earth in half, and threatened the Elementals that he would destroy the Earth and they believed him.

Superman said he couldn’t fly faster than light 8 years ago, he’s moved faster than that since then.

Agreed. Even with that instance 8 years ago.... Superman refered to a Zeta beam...which goes far, far faster than light. Outside of Flash himself...I don't see many characters outspeeding a zeta beam.

Goodness gracious. How the hell did this thread end up on Superman? 😂

Didn't Flash give Supes a speed boost to outrace the beam? Or am I wrong? 😕

Originally posted by Validus
Goodness gracious. How the hell did this thread end up on Superman? 😂

Everything comes from Superman.