Originally posted by chickenlover98
so who wins? yu yu or bleach? im still torn...
YYH characters are certainly more powerful. But, it really doesn't matter.. Because with Shyunpo, all the Bleachers would have to do is just cut off their heads, and that would be all she wrote.
Only character I see posing a viable threat is Hiei, who is actually really fast,too.
Originally posted by jmcnasty
Yu Yu Hakahso characters are stronger. Watch the show over and then compare it to Bleach. The only reason people would say Bleach is because thats the show everyone is watching now, meaning its cemented into our minds wirte now.
Nope. I've seen all of YYH, many many times.I still remember much of it. I say Bleach would win, mainly because they're SO fast. YYH is much stronger, but it doesn't matter when all the Bleachers have to do is just shyunpo blitz YYH.
Kaito is a friend/rival of Kurama that upon extended his psychic territory can force the soul to change into a fragile crystal by saying a letter, a word, or anything at all. Then there's that other guy who can copy the abilities, memories,and appearance of whomever he chooses. As for speed, Hiei wins when it comes to short sprints but Yusuke and Yomi really arn't far off, and again, they can fly. Huge Advantage. Plus, after being hit with punches that can tear through a demon flesh and blows that can cause earthquakes to an entire continent, the major players won't be killed by anything less than bankai. arn't going
Originally posted by Haruhi
Nope. I've seen all of YYH, many many times.I still remember much of it. I say Bleach would win, mainly because they're SO fast. YYH is much stronger, but it doesn't matter when all the Bleachers have to do is just shyunpo blitz YYH.
Quite obviously you overrate the power and speed of the Bleach characters, simply due to flashy animation. Here's the thing, when Hiei was still just a C class demon, he was able to rip a guy's arm off so fast, and hide it behind his back, without the guy even noticing (since he did it fast enough for the guy to feel no pain). Then when the guy taunts him to attack, he sais "I already did, fool," and he reveals the arm of that guy that he was hiding behind his back. Now, he was just fooling around at that point, and he could go much faster. And once again, that was only as a C class demon. The fact of the matter is that nobody from Bleach has even done anything close to that, as far as I can see. And by the end of the series, where most of the characters are A and S class fighters, they are at least a hundred times faster than they were back in the DT arc, as C and B class demons. Also, Ichigo creating after images of himself, doesn't mean anything (as so many people seem to try and use as an argument against mine, for YYH characters). The thing is that after images mean nothing, since weaker YYH characters like Rinku, have created after images of themselves (several, in fact), and even Rurouni Kenshin characters can do that.
Now, to answer the main question of this thread, it may depend on what point in each series you are comparing the characters to each other from, but if its YYH by the end of the series vs. Bleach characters during the current manga, then the YYH characters would EASILY CRUSH the Bleach characters. Bleach characters are often rapidly getting stronger (sometimes its too rediculously fast), I'll admit that, but at their current level, the strongest Bleach characters would only be equal to a high B class, or Low A class fighter from YYH. And even then, A class demons are common in Demon world, so it doesn't really mean much 😉 .
Fair assessment. But, Bleachers are faster, still.
Byakuya, in the beginning of the series,was able to move so fast that Ichigo didn't even see him moving in, cutting his sword, then returning to his previous position. All he saw was Byakuya standing there, then without even noticing anything, Byakuya standing there with his sword in his hand. And this was Byakuya only using a fraction of his power, as he was in the human realm, instead of the Soul Society. Full power, he's at least three times faster. At least. Bleachers have also been able to move several miles in an instant with Shyunpo.
I'm not denying that YYH is more powerful (Dark T>current Bleach), but outside of Hiei, and possibly Yusuke, nobody in YYH moves on the level of Bleach, who treats vast distance with pure disdain.
Originally posted by Haruhi
Fair assessment. But, Bleachers are faster, still.Byakuya, in the beginning of the series,was able to move so fast that Ichigo didn't even see him moving in, cutting his sword, then returning to his previous position. All he saw was Byakuya standing there, then without even noticing anything, Byakuya standing there with his sword in his hand. And this was Byakuya only using a fraction of his power, as he was in the human realm, instead of the Soul Society. Full power, he's at least three times faster. At least. Bleachers have also been able to move several miles in an instant with Shyunpo.
I'm not denying that YYH is more powerful (Dark T>current Bleach), but outside of Hiei, and possibly Yusuke, nobody in YYH moves on the level of Bleach, who treats vast distance with pure disdain.
Aren't you forgetting that people only seem faster to weaker anime characters though? Think about it: the reason Byakuya seemed so fast to Ichigo back then, was because Ichigo was relatively weak at that time. When he came back to face Byakuya at his Ban Kai level, Byakuya couldn't do any of those things to him, and his flash step was ineffective agains't Ichigo. In the same sense, when Hiei cut Seiryuu down with 16 instantaneous slashes, Kuwabara thought that it was only one slash. However, Yusuke, who was at a higher level, could spot more than half of them. My point is that people will seem faster to weaker anime characters, but for stronger and faster ones, it could be totally different. By the end of the series, the YYH characters are between A and S class demons. Does being an A class demon necessarily make you faster than less powerful opponents? No. But are the A and S class fighters of a certain level of speed, able to keep their futting with some faster characters? Most definitely.
Bleach characters are fast, that's true. And some of them (not all of them) are faster than A class demons (but trust me when I say that none of them so far, except for maybe Aizen and Urahara, have shown any indication of being on the level of speed of an S class demon, because according to the manga for YYH, S class demons have to be of a certain power, "AS WELL AS SPEED," in order to be classified at that level). That would mean that Kuwabara as an A class demon, while not fast at all in comparions to the other characters (since he's usually one of the weakest ones), would at least have to be faster than Hiei was at C class, and probably B class as well. Hiei was pretty fast already, and although he wasn't as fast as some Bleach characters are, when he was a C class demon, he could still hold his futting against fast characters at that point in the series. In that sense, Kuwabara, who is the slowest of the group, would also be able to hold his footing against Bleach characters, and as I'm sure you know since you said that you've seen the entire YYH series, that combined with his sword, which is abolutely unblockable (since it can cut through anything, including dimensions/dimensional portals), would make Kuwabara himself a lethal opponent.
Basically, I'm not underestimating Bleach characters yet, but at their current levels, they aren't as fast as S class demons, and their speed alone isn't enough to take down higher demons, since higher demons can, at the very least, keep up with their movements. Let me just say that at the rate Bleach is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they surpassed the level of YYH characters, but for the time being, they still have quite a ways to go, before any of them are at the level of high S class fighters from YYH 😉 .
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Shunsui and Ukitake from Bleach traveled miles with one leap in an instant.
When exactly did that happen again? I must have missed it in the anime, but I have not seen that happen in the manga at all.
It doesn't really make that much of a difference even if they can do that though. Yusuke is fast enough to spot their movements, and is you saw at the end of the Chapter Black arc, the Spirit Gun that he shot, hit and destroyed (I mean totally obliterated 😉 ) a mountain that was miles away, and it made contact within under a second. In that sense, he would have not problem hitting a Bleach charater with his spirit gun (especially if he used his rapid fire). Also, the force of him mixing up his spirit and demon energy, might be too much for them, since it would be hard to get close to him then. The same applies for Sensui who has sacred energy, and Yomi who has his absorbing wall (even though it only absorbs demon energy, it will still block other attacks).
Originally posted by ensatsu-kenIt happened in the manga. I agree thatn YYHverse win tho.
When exactly did that happen again? I must have missed it in the anime, but I have not seen that happen in the manga at all.It doesn't really make that much of a difference even if they can do that though. Yusuke is fast enough to spot their movements, and is you saw at the end of the Chapter Black arc, the Spirit Gun that he shot, hit and destroyed (I mean totally obliterated 😉 ) a mountain that was miles away, and it made contact within under a second. In that sense, he would have not problem hitting a Bleach charater with his spirit gun (especially if he used his rapid fire). Also, the force of him mixing up his spirit and demon energy, might be too much for them, since it would be hard to get close to him then. The same applies for Sensui who has sacred energy, and Yomi who has his absorbing wall (even though it only absorbs demon energy, it will still block other attacks).
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It happened in the manga. I agree thatn YYHverse win tho.
Could you give me a general idea of what chapter that might have been in, because I must have missed that somewhere? If not, then that's fine, I'll just go ask someone on the Bleach forum that I go to? Unless its happened rather recently in the manga (because I'm about 2 or 3 chapters behind the current manga chapter).
Originally posted by chickenlover98
if aizen gets em in an illusion nah they die
Uhhhh....aren't you forgetting that the illusion doesn't work on people who know about it, or who are blind. Yomi is blind, so that automatically sets him up to take down Aizen. Also, its possible that Hiei's Jagan Eye can counter Aizen's illusion.