Originally posted by King_Mungi
and where is any of this stated?no they really wouldn't
I looked this up just for you.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Roughouse
Remember, cage can only lift 25 tons, roughouse has the strength of a calm hulk. It has always been like that and he is a brawler. On stats his fighting ability is at 5 and luke cage is at 3. Only adamantium can pierce his hide. He has stood still while a car hit him and didnt buldge.
I found this for ya also.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=895
Originally posted by carver9
I looked this up just for you.http://en.marveldatabase.com/Roughouse
Remember, cage can only lift 25 tons, roughouse has the strength of a calm hulk. It has always been like that and he is a brawler. On stats his fighting ability is at 5 and luke cage is at 3. Only adamantium can pierce his hide. He has stood still while a car hit him and didnt buldge.
I know about Roughouse, but getting knocked out with Wolverine's fists not claws is definetly in Luke Cage's ability to do the exact same thing to him.
Actually no he can lift more now as eluded thanks to Bendis, we don't know his top strength but Bendis stated everything has been augmented. Roughouse can still be knocked out by blunt force trauma, show me an example of someone say as strong as Wolverine doing that to Cage. You won't find any.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know about Roughouse, but getting knocked out with Wolverine's fists not claws is definetly in Luke Cage's ability to do the exact same thing to him.Actually no he can lift more now as eluded thanks to Bendis, we don't know his top strength but Bendis stated everything has been augmented. Roughouse can still be knocked out by blunt force trauma, show me an example of someone say as strong as Wolverine doing that to Cage. You won't find any.
I dont have to find any, I can tell you of one, Elektra was owning cage. You do know who caliban is right. Caliban has 25 ton strength and impressive durability and wolverine koed him also with just his fist. Wolverine knocked wendigo off of his feat with just his fist. Wolverine has punched a man through a solid wall with just his fist.
So youre telling me that a guy with 2 ton strength and adamtium bones cant punch the hell out of cage. If cage stands there, hes going to be hurt. http://en.marveldatabase.com/James_Howlett_%28Earth-616%29
Tells you about his strength and it also says in marvel encyclopedia that his strength is in the 2 ton range.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont have to find any, I can tell you of one, Elektra was owning cage. You do know who caliban is right. Caliban has 25 ton strength and impressive durability and wolverine koed him also with just his fist. Wolverine knocked wendigo off of his feat with just his fist. Wolverine has punched a man through a solid wall with just his fist.So youre telling me that a guy with 2 ton strength and adamtium bones cant punch the hell out of cage. If cage stands there, hes going to be hurt. http://en.marveldatabase.com/James_Howlett_%28Earth-616%29
Tells you about his strength and it also says in marvel encyclopedia that his strength is in the 2 ton range.
All you just mentioned neither knocked him out, they were hitting him but being indestructable and invulnerable prevents any real damage..AT ALL. Yes he punched him into a wall even underwater, but that doesn't put him over class 5. Hitting someone and doing damage is completly different, do you honestly believe his punch really affected Wendigo? So basically your saying Wolverine's punches can do more damage then a class 25 punch? hmmm..
and yet people stronger then him, and grenages and explosions didn't hurt Cage. So where is the logic behind a class 2 punch hurting him?
Who's? Wolverine? I believe he is, he does have impressive strength feats and holding the elevator I consider his best.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
All you just mentioned neither knocked him out, they were hitting him but being indestructable and invulnerable prevents any real damage..AT ALL. Yes he punched him into a wall even underwater, but that doesn't put him over class 5. Hitting someone and doing damage is completly different, do you honestly believe his punch really affected Wendigo? So basically your saying Wolverine's punches can do more damage then a class 25 punch? hmmm..and yet people stronger then him, and grenages and explosions didn't hurt Cage. So where is the logic behind a class 2 punch hurting him?
Who's? Wolverine? I believe he is, he does have impressive strength feats and holding the elevator I consider his best.
I didnt say that he can knocked the wendigo out but the wendigo did register the punch.
Cage is far from being indestructible, he's very durable but wolverine (just like iron fist) could cause some major damage.
Wolverine punches cant do more damage then a class 25 but wolverine fist is much more durable than a class 25. Its a adamantium, metal fist with 2 ton strength coming behind it. That would cause damage.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
rough house is faster, more agile, better reflexes, stronger, healing factor, more experienced.rough hosue is better in pritty much ever way but durability which is still beyond bullet proof.
How did you come to that assumption. You know that Luke is more than just bulletproof now right?
Originally posted by carver9
honesty, roughouse is everything cage is but more. He is more durable, 20 times more stronger, it was stated on panel that he was as strong as hulk (not enraged hulk) and he is the better fighter (fight using wrestling and street brawling technique.). I give this to roughouse 7/10.
How do you know that Roughouse is more than what Luke Cage is? You do know hes a very experienced street fighter. Street fighting involves grappling and brawling you know.
Im pretty sure Luke has more experience than Roughouse has.
Wolverine is not a 2 tonner. He did not knock Roughhouse out with his fist, but with the enviroment.
Roughhouse is stronger and more skilled than Cage and it's reasonable to believe that Cage wouldn't land many hits. Wolverine is far more skilled than Cage and faster/more agile to boot. Back when Roughhouse and Wolvie fought, Wolverine was almost as nimble as Spiderman.
Cage stronger than Roughhouse is pure speculation. We've got reason to believe that he has undergone an upgrade, but that does not necessarily mean that he's stronger than him. For Cage to be stronger, his strength must've been tripled.
I've yet to see you bring up any scans Alfheim, like, ever. You claim that Luke Cage is at least as experienced as Roughhouse, but where are the scans? So far, Luke Cage has been shit. I haven't seen one skill display in New Avengers.
You're basically asking if I have any proofs that Rock Trolls have superhuman strength....
Originally posted by carver9
honesty, roughouse is everything cage is but more. He is more durable, 20 times more stronger, it was stated on panel that he was as strong as hulk (not enraged hulk) and he is the better fighter (fight using wrestling and street brawling technique.). I give this to roughouse 7/10.
Originally posted by llagrok
I've yet to see you bring up any scans Alfheim, like, ever. You claim that Luke Cage is at least as experienced as Roughhouse, but where are the scans? So far, Luke Cage has been shit. I haven't seen one skill display in New Avengers.You're basically asking if I have any proofs that Rock Trolls have superhuman strength....
No I think their is a misunderstanding. I should have specified what im concerned with is that you said Roughouse is more skilled.
Cage is an expreinced street fighter and has years of experience fighting along side superheroes. I dont think I need scans to prove iot because its just Cage's history. Has Roughouse ever been a member of the Fantastic Four has Roughouse ever worked with the Defenders?
Originally posted by carver9
I didnt say that he can knocked the wendigo out but the wendigo did register the punch.Cage is far from being indestructible, he's very durable but wolverine (just like iron fist) could cause some major damage.
Wolverine punches cant do more damage then a class 25 but wolverine fist is much more durable than a class 25. Its a adamantium, metal fist with 2 ton strength coming behind it. That would cause damage.
Registering a punch and feeling a punch are two different things, I could punch the Thing and he could register it doesn't meen he would feel anything, which he wouldn't.
He actually is said to be indestructable, the exact word was taken a few times from New Avengers.
Not really, hit someone with a aluminium bat and an adamintium bat...would there be a difference in damage? yes, but miniscual. What Wolverine needs is far more strength to actually use his adminintium fists giving them enough force to do serious damage, which he doesn't have.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know about Roughouse, but getting knocked out with Wolverine's fists not claws is definetly in Luke Cage's ability to do the exact same thing to him.Actually no he can lift more now as eluded thanks to Bendis, we don't know his top strength but Bendis stated everything has been augmented. Roughouse can still be knocked out by blunt force trauma, show me an example of someone say as strong as Wolverine doing that to Cage. You won't find any.
Well classic versions considered, Sabretoth overwhelmed Cage in the first portion of their fight.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I think their is a misunderstanding. I should have specified what im concerned with is that you said Roughouse is more skilled.Cage is an expreinced street fighter and has years of experience fighting along side superheroes. I dont think I need scans to prove iot because its just Cage's history. Has Roughouse ever been a member of the Fantastic Four has Roughouse ever worked with the Defenders?
God you're such a hypocrite.. You don't need to probve Cage's skills because it's his history?
Yet roughouse who is described as a very skilled fighter in his bio needs to be proven a skilled fighter?
Spiderman didn't really beat Roughouse, he knocked him off a ledge.. the same way Deathstroke "beat" Colossus really.
Personally I'm a bit torn here..
Part of me kind of looks at this thinking that Roughouse's superior strength, decent fighting ability, and longer reach all spell doom for Luke Cage.. but on the other hand Wolverine DID punch him out.. So I don't think it's impossible for Luke to win.. the only thing to consider here is When Wolverine KOed Roughouse, he did it after a prolonged fight in which he was taking punches from the brute.. Luke's shown to have a pretty decent inferiority to Logan in terms of durability, but mos of those direct comparisons come from AFTER Logan's adamantium removal stage. So it's hard to guage at this point....
Originally posted by jinzin
Well classic versions considered, Sabretoth overwhelmed Cage in the first portion of their fight.
Well like you mentioned, classic Cage was just bulletproof and could press 1 ton. Iron Fist was shocked Cage lifted up a car, but Cage later revealed he did it as the engine wasn't in it.
Poor Sabretooth, back then I don't even think had a listed healing factor, but I could be wrong.
Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman didn't really beat Roughouse, he knocked him off a ledge.. the same way Deathstroke "beat" Colossus really.Personally I'm a bit torn here..
Part of me kind of looks at this thinking that Roughouse's superior strength, decent fighting ability, and longer reach all spell doom for Luke Cage.. but on the other hand Wolverine DID punch him out.. So I don't think it's impossible for Luke to win.. the only thing to consider here is When Wolverine KOed Roughouse, he did it after a prolonged fight in which he was taking punches from the brute.. Luke's shown to have a pretty decent inferiority to Logan in terms of durability, but mos of those direct comparisons come from AFTER Logan's adamantium removal stage. So it's hard to guage at this point....
Spot on