what if revan was never betrayed by malak? spoiler

What if Darth Malak had not betrayed Revan when the strike team boarded revans' ship before Kotor, and Revan never lost his memories or captured by the jedi but continued the war effort

how would the fate of the Galaxy change?

or would history repeat itself?

Originally posted by Spartan 063
What if Darth Malak had not betrayed Revan when the strike team boarded revans' ship before Kotor, and Revan never lost his memories or captured by the jedi but continued the war effort

how would the fate of the Galaxy change?

or would history repeat itself?

Revan would take over the galaxy and the sith empire would rule for many many years until it it too will eventually fall.(as jolee says that all things will eventually fall) But then again Revan might not be leading it for a long time. It all depends on the actions of the sith triumvirate does. I doubt Traya would try and kill Revan. But Sion and Nihius I seriously doubt they would just sit idle. Sion is a very dangerous assassin and might try and assassinate Revan but I doubt he would succeed. The real threat would be Nihilus since the jedi would most likely be extinct than he would turn on the sith.(as traya predicted in kotor2) and Nihilus's very killer technique is very dangerous and his best chance is going to the star forge and use it their. Because if he just flies on his ship doing tis type of stuff than Revan's armada would most likely kill him.

I rather think Sion could succeed...but yes, Nihilus would eventually just start attacking the Sith.

Originally posted by Captain REX
I rather think Sion could succeed...but yes, Nihilus would eventually just start attacking the Sith.

Sion could succeed, but I feel Kreia would be too inclined to help Revan, given her love and appreciation for him and the power he wielded. He was indeed stronger than the Exile, and she managed to defeat Sion through both battle prowess and effective persuasion. Revan was said to be a master at both, and with Kreia giving Revan all of Sion's weaknesses, such as his psychological inhibitions which held him together, Revan could stand a good chance at taking down the Sith Assassin.

I believe Nihilus would be a larger threat.

Originally posted by Se7in
Sion [b]could succeed, but I feel Kreia would be too inclined to help Revan, given her love and appreciation for him and the power he wielded. He was indeed stronger than the Exile, and she managed to defeat Sion through both battle prowess and effective persuasion. Revan was said to be a master at both, and with Kreia giving Revan all of Sion's weaknesses, such as his psychological inhibitions which held him together, Revan could stand a good chance at taking down the Sith Assassin.

I believe Nihilus would be a larger threat. [/B]

Plus we pretty proven that Sion's ability to stay alive is only on Malachor V so we Revan wouldn't need the psychological tactics .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNmVSmIhs

And during the first part of the duel Sion says

Now you realize the true power of the dark side. As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh I cannot be killed.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Plus we pretty proven that Sion's ability to stay alive is only on Malachor V so we Revan wouldn't need the psychological tactics .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNmVSmIhs

And during the first part of the duel Sion says

I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.

I will look into it later if i can't find a video i know i have a saved game on korriban so i could check it out later.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.

I gathered that Sion is only virtually unbeatable in places very strong in the darkside (like Malacor or Korriban). And I doubt Revan would be dumb enough to attack him at a place of strength.

Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
After the exile's duel with him she something about the exile not being able to beat him here (Korriban).

I gathered that Sion is only virtually unbeatable in places very strong in the darkside (like Malacor or Korriban). And I doubt Revan would be dumb enough to attack him at a place of strength.

revan doesn't exactly strike me as someone who would stay at place like that remember that the star forge was a place of the dark side and he limited his contact with it. But i doubt sion's ability would work there being that is not a place of the sith in the same way korriban and malachor are. And given revan's charisma was noted to be very high and he persuaded many jedi and even masters to follow him (when he was a padawan) into the mandalorians wars I do think it is very plausible for him to kill him.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
revan doesn't exactly strike me as someone who would stay at place like that remember that the star forge was a place of the dark side and he limited his contact with it. But i doubt sion's ability would work there being that is not a place of the sith in the same way korriban and malachor are. And given revan's charisma was noted to be very high and he persuaded many jedi and even masters to follow him (when he was a padawan) into the mandalorians wars I do think it is very plausible for him to kill him.

But as I said, even what Sion was at Malachor, he was still repeatedly defeated and eventually psychologically eroded into dying.

Revan, given prior knowledge of such a weakness, could defeat Sion without a doubt.

Originally posted by Se7in
But as I said, even what Sion was at Malachor, he was still repeatedly defeated and eventually psychologically eroded into dying.

Revan, given prior knowledge of such a weakness, could defeat Sion without a doubt.

Um... I was pretty much agreeing with you and stating why he can defeat Sion even at malachor

Sion may be able to beat Revan with the elemant of surprise, as even tho he was a brutish moron, he was skilled with a saber, tho Nihilus would be the real threat, nothing Kreia could do would help Revan, Nihilus would consume world after world, until eventually Revam had to fight him,and by then Nihilus' power will be greatly amped due to Killing so many worlds, and would easily kill and Force Kill Revan.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Sion may be able to beat Revan with the elemant of surprise, as even tho he was a brutish moron, he was skilled with a saber, tho Nihilus would be the real threat, nothing Kreia could do would help Revan, Nihilus would consume world after world, until eventually Revam had to fight him,and by then Nihilus' power will be greatly amped due to Killing so many worlds, and would easily kill and Force Kill Revan.

The best chance for revan is to have his armada destroy the ravager because if nihlus starts off by wiping out planets then revan would surely see him as a threat and use his infinite fleet to kill him

Originally posted by Darth Hord
The best chance for revan is to have his armada destroy the ravager because if nihlus starts off by wiping out planets then revan would surely see him as a threat and use his infinite fleet to kill him

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
That's true, but Nihilus may of eaten whole planets of Sith by now, his strength will have grown far beyond what it was before, as would his power, then there's Sion and his assassins, they would be boarding vessels and taking out ships from the inside.

That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire.

Originally posted by Darth Hord That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire.

This thread is about if Malak stayed with Revan, so that wouldn't make sense.

some other variables that you aren't considering if revan was never turned on by Malak then he still has Malak at his side as his apprentice and sion and nihilus wouldn't try taking out revan because they only started fighting for the title of dark lord because there was no one powerful enough to hold that title anymore.

Originally posted by Se7in
This thread is about if Malak stayed with Revan, so that wouldn't make sense.

I took it as that Malak did not betray revan in that particular scene and given the nature of the sith whose to say he would not have tried later on.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Sion and Nihilus would not have to work together, they would be aiding eachother anyway, as long as they never crossed paths(Sion could potentially be an unlimited energy supply for Nihilus). Nihilus killed an entire planet, killing whole armadas is not really a stretch, and besides, Nihilus has his own fleet of slaves. You have a point about the forces that make up Sion's and Nihilus' army, tho with every person Nihilus comes in contact with could be a potential slave to work for him.

The point with army also includes the fleet which were the sith interdictor ships escorting the ravager. And i highly doubt that the force killer technique would work on thousands of ships (capital ships and the sith fighters) he would be overwhelmed by the shier numbers.