Originally posted by boriquaking55
to be fair, Terminator doesn't have access to the amazing weaponry a Predator regularly carries, so to make it even, the T-800 should get comparable equipment.I think if you equip the Terminator with some of the laser weaponry you see in the future-scenes in the movies, the fight is much more even.
If that happens and the Terminator CAN see the Pred while hes cloaked, this fight instantly becomes a curb-stomp imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
how? the terminator has never been one to dodge and he couldnt take blasts from the predators cannon for long.
he doesnt have to dodge, first off predator would not know that terminator is in fact a cyborg, he would assume he was a human based on the heat from his skin. Since he would think hes human he might fight him differently, not going for the kill and just attempting to cripple the human and then attack hand to hand like he did with Carl Weathers.
You have no proof the cannon from the first movie would go through the terminator since all it did in that movie was go through flesh at very best. A bullet can do that and weve all seen what bullets do to a terminator. In fact Arnold got hit in the chest with the shoulder cannon from the Predator and all it did was knock him on the ground. It didnt go through him, it didnt even knock him out, it just knocked him backwards.
Durability wise that Predator got hurt by exploding gunpowder and was crushed by a log. He has also shownn to be hurt by bullets. I think this puts Terminators durability leagues ahead of the Predators.
In T2 Terminator says "I see everything." Human eyes have seen a Predator while cloaked, even in the first movie. A marine spotted him from hundreds of feet away. I guarentee if a Terminator was looking for him in scan mode he would find him too.
That is why
Originally posted by Kurash
he doesnt have to dodge, first off predator would not know that terminator is in fact a cyborg, he would assume he was a human based on the heat from his skin. Since he would think hes human he might fight him differently, not going for the kill and just attempting to cripple the human and then attack hand to hand like he did with Carl Weathers.You have no proof the cannon from the first movie would go through the terminator since all it did in that movie was go through flesh at very best. A bullet can do that and weve all seen what bullets do to a terminator. In fact Arnold got hit in the chest with the shoulder cannon from the Predator and all it did was knock him on the ground. It didnt go through him, it didnt even knock him out, it just knocked him backwards.
Durability wise that Predator got hurt by exploding gunpowder and was crushed by a log. He has also shownn to be hurt by bullets. I think this puts Terminators durability leagues ahead of the Predators.
In T2 Terminator says "I see everything." Human eyes have seen a Predator while cloaked, even in the first movie. A marine spotted him from hundreds of feet away. I guarentee if a Terminator was looking for him in scan mode he would find him too.
That is why
Yeah, well. U remember what the plasma caster did to Jesse's chest? Cratered a hole in him about the size of his torso. 😐 I think a few blasts like that to the Terminators CPU would be effective. Cuz the Pred can choose how powerful he wants the plasma bolts to be, and when he shot that guy in the head and arnold in the shoulder, the bolts were de-powered highly. And Mac only spotted the Predator because he saw him beforehand when the Predator uncloaked on purpose and followed him to where he was going.
And I think the Predator would figure it out quickly that the Terminators not a human because of his lack of heat signiature and after he shoots him with the plasma caster and he still doesnt die, then he'll know right there and just keep shooting him until he does.
Originally posted by braz
Yeah, well. U remember what the plasma caster did to Jesse's chest? Cratered a hole in him about the size of his torso. 😐 I think a few blasts like that to the Terminators CPU would be effective. Cuz the Pred can choose how powerful he wants the plasma bolts to be, and when he shot that guy in the head and arnold in the shoulder, the bolts were de-powered highly. And Mac only spotted the Predator because he saw him beforehand when the Predator uncloaked on purpose and followed him to where he was going.And I think the Predator would figure it out quickly that the Terminators not a human because of his lack of heat signiature and after he shoots him with the plasma caster and he still doesnt die, then he'll know right there and just keep shooting him until he does.
he spotted him in the jungle and even if what you say is true, which is a huge assumption imo, carl weathers character spotted him also only after Mac pointed him out. Now, have you ever had someone point something out to you thats a couple hundred feet away? Its very hard to distinguish what theyre pointing at. Throw in the fact that the predator was cloaked to look like the rest of the jungle, youd think itd be very hard to see him, but no. Carl Weather spotted him with the naked eye within seconds. A terminator could do the same.
How do you know that the bolts the Predator used were depowered highly? Cause from what I saw Arnold definately posed the largest threat to the Predator and had the best chance of killing him right then and there. Youd think the predator would try and take him out.
People also seem to forget that the Predator has other vision modes despite thermal, and I feel that if thermal doesnt pick up the Terminator's heat, then something like electromagnetic or Pred-tech will reveal the cyborg underneath.
Thats how Preds spot humanlike androids in the videogames and so forth, and from there, its reasonable to say that this guy could determine that this man was not really a man, but infact a T-800 series Terminator.
Weaponwise, the Pred's are superior: Wristblades and combispear that can easily penetrate through any human-made material with the slightest of ease, even things like titanium and tank armor. A plasmacaster which at fullpower can blast an attack chopper out of the sky, or blow a Humvee to hell. Not to mention that self-destruct nuke, if this Pred feels desperate, he wont hesitate to use the portable bomb to kill himself and the Terminator.
Pred wins 7/10.
Originally posted by Kurash
he spotted him in the jungle and even if what you say is true, which is a huge assumption imo, carl weathers character spotted him also only after Mac pointed him out. Now, have you ever had someone point something out to you thats a couple hundred feet away? Its very hard to distinguish what theyre pointing at. Throw in the fact that the predator was cloaked to look like the rest of the jungle, youd think itd be very hard to see him, but no. Carl Weather spotted him with the naked eye within seconds. A terminator could do the same.How do you know that the bolts the Predator used were depowered highly? Cause from what I saw Arnold definately posed the largest threat to the Predator and had the best chance of killing him right then and there. Youd think the predator would try and take him out.
After the Predator got out of the net trap, Mac shot him in the tree when he was cloaked(but close up) as Carl saw him too and he uncloaked in the tree on purpose, then cloaked and took off. Mac followed him and kept his eye on him(even though it was hard, he still did) and was able to point him out to Weathers who followed him, which actually took a second for him to see.
For the plasma bolts thing, I know for certain that he can depower them, and he probably did so because he knew just one-shotting the last few of his prey would be too easy, because thats what he did before to everyone else. And he wanted to go out fighting with honor.
Originally posted by Barbarian Shams
People also seem to forget that the Predator has other vision modes despite thermal, and I feel that if thermal doesnt pick up the Terminator's heat, then something like electromagnetic or Pred-tech will reveal the cyborg underneath.Thats how Preds spot humanlike androids in the videogames and so forth, and from there, its reasonable to say that this guy could determine that this man was not really a man, but infact a T-800 series Terminator.
Weaponwise, the Pred's are superior: Wristblades and combispear that can easily penetrate through any human-made material with the slightest of ease, even things like titanium and tank armor. A plasmacaster which at fullpower can blast an attack chopper out of the sky, or blow a Humvee to hell. Not to mention that self-destruct nuke, if this Pred feels desperate, he wont hesitate to use the portable bomb to kill himself and the Terminator.
Pred wins 7/10.
Yeah, but why didnt the Predator switch visions when he was couldnt spot Arnold covered in mud? 😬 Thats why I think the Terminator has an advantage here.
Okay the Terminator living skin tissue does give off a heat signature. Kyle said it in the first movie. However, remember in AvP when Scar used his x-ray vision and spotted that Weyland had cancer. Yeah the pred would do the same to the T-800. But that doesn't mean the Yautja will immediately go for his x-ray vision. If he decides to go H2H with the T-800 it will lose in a slugfest. No matter how many limbs you cut off of it, as long as it has a limb and cpu intact it's coming after you. The Yautja's is inferior by far when it comes to durability with the T-800. These things have been ran over by 18-wheelers, taken shotgun blasts point blank and got up without even a scratch on their endoskeleton, gone through concrete buildings/walls, buried in debris, taken loads of punishment from small-arms fire only to destroy it's flesh, been in car crashes, and gone H2H with other terminators with superior strength.
Originally posted by braz
Yeah, but why didnt the Predator switch visions when he was couldnt spot Arnold covered in mud? 😬 Thats why I think the Terminator has an advantage here.
That my friend is called ignoring reality, I mentioned in the Blade vs Pred fight that this could never happen in reality because Arnie's bodyheat would've warmed up the mud, making the whole "mud hides heat" thing totally useless. Preds arent so frail to be human level durable, they can take immense abuse themselves.
But those things Darth Martin listed, were mostly blunt force, and human small-arms weapons aren't quite on the same scale as alien weaponry that could easily decap a terminator with a single swipe, or a spear that could puncture the terminator's ribcage all the way to its precious CPU. Granted a terminator can survive more, but it cant function with its head remove courtesy of a well-placed blade swipe or a fullpower Plasmacaster blast shot to the head.
But if this was Wolf with the uber advanced weaponry and fighting prowess, I would give him 10/10 no questions asked, but since this is the first Pred, I'll give him at least 6/10 or more for wins. Terminator going by what others says gets 5/10 depending on how the Pred approaches this. H2H is out of the question once he realizes how pointless it really is. That's when the gloves come off and he utlitizes the Plasmacaster at maximum power to obliterate the T-800 to dust.
Originally posted by Barbarian Shams
That my friend is called ignoring reality, I mentioned in the Blade vs Pred fight that this could never happen in reality because Arnie's bodyheat would've warmed up the mud, making the whole "mud hides heat" thing totally useless. Preds arent so frail to be human level durable, they can take immense abuse themselves.But those things Darth Martin listed, were mostly blunt force, and human small-arms weapons aren't quite on the same scale as alien weaponry that could easily decap a terminator with a single swipe, or a spear that could puncture the terminator's ribcage all the way to its precious CPU. Granted a terminator can survive more, but it cant function with its head remove courtesy of a well-placed blade swipe or a fullpower Plasmacaster blast shot to the head.
But if this was Wolf with the uber advanced weaponry and fighting prowess, I would give him 10/10 no questions asked, but since this is the first Pred, I'll give him at least 6/10 or more for wins. Terminator going by what others says gets 5/10 depending on how the Pred approaches this. H2H is out of the question once he realizes how pointless it really is. That's when the gloves come off and he utlitizes the Plasmacaster at maximum power to obliterate the T-800 to dust.
Yeah, the mud would actually work for a little bit to be realistic, but not as long as it did in the movie. It wouldve worked maybe long enough for the Predator to look around and not see him. Im surprised he didnt even see ONE single bit of red, which I think is a little false.
And that Predator imo could at least hold his own in h2h against a Terminator, because they actually seemed quite slow in their movements, even though they were throwing eachother through walls and crap, and I think the wristblades would be effective at maybe severing some limbs or w/e.
Btw, thanx DM for clearing that up, the Predators got a shot here then. 😉