Originally posted by Grifter07
Um no.Why do you have to eb peak human in marvel by takingt something, theres hardwork you know. Peak human an be attained both ways, but Bats actually worked for it.
You missed his point completely, and I don't feel like typing out a long drawn out post.
But I'm sure Daredevil1 will "inform" you of what a Peak Human is.
Originally posted by ApolloknightWasn't paying attention. But peak human and Marvel are the same really.
You missed his point completely, and I don't feel like typing out a long drawn out post.But I'm sure Daredevil1 will "inform" you of what a Peak Human is.
Enhancment peka human would be super human which hes not.
Originally posted by Grifter07
Um no.Why do you have to eb peak human in marvel by takingt something, theres hardwork you know. Peak human an be attained both ways, but Bats actually worked for it.
Yes he worked like Daredevil/Shang-chi to become an elite fighter, one of the top athletes in his verse.
But to compare it too BP's herb or Cap's serum to create Super-men is not valid. That takes the point out of the secret military Operation Rebirth away.
Maybe you would have a point if Bats reached a mystical martial art level akin to Stick/Karate Kid/Temugin. But lets face it Batman is not that.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes he worked like Daredevil/Shang-chi to become an elite fighter, one of the top athletes in his verse.But to compare it too BP's herb or Cap's serum to create Super-men is not valid.
Maybe you would have a point if Bats reached a mystical martial art level akin to Stick/Karate Kid/Temugin. But lets face it Batman is not that.
Prove Cap is superior and you may be on to something. Cap is Peak human with everything yes but Bats is peak human is many aspects.
Just because in marvel there is a 'potential' limit in which a human simply CANNOT improve - and therefore HAS to be amped on the juice or the herb - does NOT mean there is a similar limit in DC that cannot be broken through sheer training.
Batman's feats - in pretty much any area save endurance - can match and even exceed those of T'Challa or Captain America's.
In reality he's stronger by the meanings that came from Operation Rebirth. The reason behind it was to create "Super" men, men that are superior in stats to top of the line athletes. Otherwise why would they invest in all the secrecy behind it or the funding for that matter.
IMO Batmans peak human is in the sense of a peak-athlete. A man high at the very top of his prime. Just like Daredevil or Shang-chi for an example. I'm sure fans of Daredevil or Shang could even argue they look on paper to have "peak" feats as well. Just like Batman.
But we know Cap/BP/ are enhanced to be above that level. I could show you flashy strength feats of BP hurling huge rocks or bringing down a Rhino. Or Cap lifting up a big statue.
And you would answer with a Bat feat to say this is just as impressive. But in reality if you were to post up most of the majority "strength" feats of Batman. His majority strength feats would look better then the majority of strength feats of even Slade. With Slade having one great high-end feat with the cable.
This does not mean Batman is stronger then Slade of course, once one understands what the character is meant to be and created for.
I agree with you that Bats is peak or even maybe in one aspect. But even that aspect isn't defined by the marvel "potential". But if you don't like my word here is the scientist word. A man unlike the world has "never" seen before-Dr. Erskine
The "Perfect Man"-Erskine
Originally posted by Soljer
Just because in marvel there is a 'potential' limit in which a human simply CANNOT improve - and therefore HAS to be amped on the juice or the herb - does NOT mean there is a similar limit in DC that cannot be broken through sheer training.Batman's feats - in pretty much any area save endurance - can match and even exceed those of T'Challa or Captain America's.
I actually agree with this. Which I even touched on it. Characters IMO who have surpassed Cap's/BP/Slades enhancement are Mystical High End Esoteric skills.
Like Mystical Stick/Karate-Kid/Temugin/ and I imagine among some others. But I don't view Daredevil/Batman at that level.
IMO of course.
Originally posted by Soljer
You keep putting Daredevil and Batman on the same level for some odd reason.Funny when Batman's feats put him on an entirely different one. 🙂.
Ha ha that might just be me being biased. 🙂 LOL
Batman is a beast my views with DD are
Hand to hand-toss up with either Bats 5.5/10 or DD 5.5/10. Of course I'll go the DD route 🙂
With gear uhhhh Batman probably for the majority as it pains me to say that. 😠