Dimitri, Sargeras, KOS-MOS Vs. Pyron, Kain and Jedah

Originally posted by Burning thought
Jedah would fail....Kain however has a prison on him, the reaver to name that could imprison Sarg, so Sarg can stay immortal as he likes within the reaver, he loses through default of not being able to do anything when imprisoned...as i say...Pyron<Kos-Mos all this rubbish about "hes andromeda size", as CC showed it has not been canonically proven..and neither has Jedahs "zomg instant dimension pwnage ftw"....

also none of these has time manipulation cept kain, kain can stop the entire battle with a whim and yawn before he reaved Dimitri, Compounds pyron into a ball of miniscule energy...reaves Jedah and powers the reaver with an immortal soul..constant feeding, so it would end up being an unlimited time lapse...then he can just w8 and evolve until his strong enough to beat Kos-mos..maybe Sarg, but Sarg is an anomoly

2. Pyron>KOSMOS, now that I have learned even more info*Who else? told me, and can provide proof(his knowledge of DS is the greatest here), Pyron can speedblitz KOSMOS with no trouble at all, in a short time he went from the edge of the universe it to Earth. As for the Andromeda size, another piece of info I have to back that up is he wears galaxies for rings.

3. Jedah did eat a dimension, it is just not known how, but it has been proven he can eat all the souls in Makai by raising his hand.

4. Too bad the reaver could not scratch Demitri, who survived an attack from Belial, who>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Kain in every possible way, if he "compounds" Pyron, what will stop Pyron from reforming? Not like it'll happen. Jedah can just send Kain to another dimension instantly and his team would take out Kain's, then Jedah eats his soul.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Jedah eats dimensions and souls for breakfast, he is an eternal prision.

2. Pyron>KOSMOS, now that I have learned even more info*Who else? told me, and can provide proof(his knowledge of DS is the greatest here), Pyron can speedblitz KOSMOS with no trouble at all, in a short time he went from the edge of the universe it to Earth. As for the Andromeda size, another piece of info I have to back that up is he wears galaxies for rings.

3. Jedah did eat a dimension, it is just not known how, but it has been proven he can eat all the souls in Makai by raising his hand.

4. Too bad the reaver could not scratch Demitri, who survived an attack from Belial, who>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Kain in every possible way, if he "compounds" Pyron, what will stop Pyron from reforming? Not like it'll happen. Jedah can just send Kain to another dimension instantly and his team would take out Kain's, then Jedah eats his soul.

1. eating them would mean digesting...i.e dissolving their energies, its not a prison...

2. i would like to see this proof, and where is he shown wearing these rings

3. *shrug* the durability of the souls of makai are unkown, not to menstion the population of makais actualy citizens is less than earths, earth has about 6 billion people, Makai has less than 10 million....unless you count the slave races, then if i remember correctly it would be about 3 billion.

4. it doesnt have to scratch Demitri, soul death+soul reave...simple, it doesnt have to even touch the guy...also if he compounds pyron he could keep him compunded and wear him as a shiny ring or ornament, or as i said, use the states emblem or his mainpulation to bleed pyrons power through light, heat..all other energies until theres nothing left of him. Yeh, Kain can stop time instantly...Kain can dimension move with the dimension Emblem, AND send beings to other dimensions, so he will throw Jedah into a diffrent dimension if he so wished, only thing is, jedah has no time manipulation..his soul would just become another inside the reaver..only this time...an immortal soul, delicious infniite energy

Uh, what's infiniite energy?

the reaver with no power down, if the reaver doesnt have souls for a good few years or hundreds of years (unkown for sure) it gets hungry, ravenous and loses a lot of power, so i meant with Jedahs immortal soul, it would be like infnite soul power for the reaver 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. eating them would mean digesting...i.e dissolving their energies, its not a prison...

2. i would like to see this proof, and where is he shown wearing these rings

3. *shrug* the durability of the souls of makai are unkown, not to menstion the population of makais actualy citizens is less than earths, earth has about 6 billion people, Makai has less than 10 million....unless you count the slave races, then if i remember correctly it would be about 3 billion.

4. it doesnt have to scratch Demitri, soul death+soul reave...simple, it doesnt have to even touch the guy...also if he compounds pyron he could keep him compunded and wear him as a shiny ring or ornament, or as i said, use the states emblem or his mainpulation to bleed pyrons power through light, heat..all other energies until theres nothing left of him. Yeh, Kain can stop time instantly...Kain can dimension move with the dimension Emblem, AND send beings to other dimensions, so he will throw Jedah into a diffrent dimension if he so wished, only thing is, jedah has no time manipulation..his soul would just become another inside the reaver..only this time...an immortal soul, delicious infniite energy

2. I can get it, next time I post I'll have it.

3. Souls don't have superior durability than another unless stated otherwise.

4. Is this before or after Demitri speedblitzes him.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. You know what I meant.

2. I can get it, next time I post I'll have it.

3. Souls don't have superior durability than another unless stated otherwise.

4. Is this before or after Demitri speedblitzes him.

3.also i didnt mean that, i was simply saying if all the beings are the same, then all the souls of makai is less great than all the souls of Earth, petty humans...its no mean feet.

4. speedblitz? can Demitri dimension speed at will? dimension speed>light speed...also once again, please a speed feet from Demitri...all ive been shown is the OVA to show some Demitri which showns him fighting normally at no great speed beyond many.

and once again, Demitri has to react to move...Kain has to think to stop time, speed blitz would not be an option, even if as he moves it depends on the distance, even aftrer short distance he could end up frozen before he gets a few feet when the reaver time powers up.

hell it could be after....whats he gonna do, midnight bliss isnt an instant attack, he has to grab, before he moves to do it kain could of already activated time..dimitri has to react-->move-->grab...kain has to React-->time stop

Originally posted by Burning thought
4. speedblitz? can Demitri dimension speed at will? dimension speed>light speed...also once again, please a speed feet from Demitri...all ive been shown is the OVA to show some Demitri which showns him fighting normally at no great speed beyond many.

and once again, Demitri has to react to move...Kain has to think to stop time, speed blitz would not be an option, even if as he moves it depends on the distance, even aftrer short distance he could end up frozen before he gets a few feet when the reaver time powers up.

hell it could be after....whats he gonna do, midnight bliss isnt an instant attack, he has to grab, before he moves to do it kain could of already activated time..dimitri has to react-->move-->grab...kain has to React-->time stop

its logcial that they are activated by thought, theres no other way they can be activated, the power comes from the reaver, the reaver as you can see on my LOK respect page has no buttons, levels or devices and if you play the games, Kain never says anything or does an incantation to activate his reaver powers, look at some of the videos posted, also look at SR 1 vids on the same page.

There is only one way it could possibly be activated by logical thinking without looking at those vids..and thats by thought....

ive yet to see the proof of lightspeed, especially while they are fighitng, thats a ridiculous assumption, but i suppose if ime proved wrong with a 100% fact undeniable source then i cannot debate against it.

prove to me he doesnt have to grab, he first changes to his demon form, then he "grabs" his opponent and they flash for about a seccond before taking the effect of midnight bliss, thats the only Midnight bliss ive seen from your Vid that shows dimitri doing this. Not to menstion getting near kain is going to be his difficulty. especially if the guy dimensions/mists...then Dimitri has failed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its logcial that they are activated by thought, theres no other way they can be activated, the power comes from the reaver, the reaver as you can see on my LOK respect page has no buttons, levels or devices and if you play the games, Kain never says anything or does an incantation to activate his reaver powers, look at some of the videos posted, also look at SR 1 vids on the same page.

There is only one way it could possibly be activated by logical thinking without looking at those vids..and thats by thought....

ive yet to see the proof of lightspeed, especially while they are fighitng, thats a ridiculous assumption, but i suppose if ime proved wrong with a 100% fact undeniable source then i cannot debate against it.

prove to me he doesnt have to grab, he first changes to his demon form, then he "grabs" his opponent and they flash for about a seccond before taking the effect of midnight bliss, thats the only Midnight bliss ive seen from your Vid that shows dimitri doing this. Not to menstion getting near kain is going to be his difficulty. especially if the guy dimensions/mists...then Dimitri has failed.

2. Ask Who else? fro speed stuff on Pyron, he's the DS man.

3. Sigh...go watch the vid in the Demitri Respect thread. It clearly shows him transforming them before he grabs them.

1. in gameplay...exactley...in SR1 he uses soul blast instantly without effort, kain even in gameplay is never excerted or tired and the charge is false..its only because to activate the attack you have to hold the attack button, its controls...the exact button to attack is "j" for me on my PC...you have to hold "j" to activate the attack which is why it seems like a charge. Regardless the logic is simple, kain controls it with thought...no other way..he instantly shows he can do it in SR 1 in the kain battle in the cutscene, unfortunatley, there is no cutscene in Defiance showing him using his reaver spells, he simply confirms he has them in the scenes but doesnt use them. Controls and gameplay cannot be fairly considered in debates, controls especially...otherwise we may as well assume DS character have to do a series of punch and kicks to acitivate their best attack combos

2.perhaps i will

3: i see now, its not instant however, theres like a second pause in the video, and it seems he has to be flashing before he does it, whatever that means, a build up of his power it seems he wouldnt be able to do it instantly. regardless, he obviously has to excert some power into doing the attack, otherwise it would point to him turning beings into females constantly whenever he goes near them which is ofcourse ludicrous and obviously not the case.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. in gameplay...exactley...in SR1 he uses soul blast instantly without effort, kain even in gameplay is never excerted or tired and the charge is false..its only because to activate the attack you have to hold the attack button, its controls...the exact button to attack is "j" for me on my PC...you have to hold "j" to activate the attack which is why it seems like a charge. Regardless the logic is simple, kain controls it with thought...no other way..he instantly shows he can do it in SR 1 in the kain battle in the cutscene, unfortunatley, there is no cutscene in Defiance showing him using his reaver spells, he simply confirms he has them in the scenes but doesnt use them. Controls and gameplay cannot be fairly considered in debates, controls especially...otherwise we may as well assume DS character have to do a series of punch and kicks to acitivate their best attack combos

2.perhaps i will

3: i see now, its not instant however, theres like a second pause in the video, and it seems he has to be flashing before he does it, whatever that means, a build up of his power it seems he wouldnt be able to do it instantly. regardless, he obviously has to excert some power into doing the attack, otherwise it would point to him turning beings into females constantly whenever he goes near them which is ofcourse ludicrous and obviously not the case.

2. The flash is right after he does it. Thinking is not instant either btw. Also, of course he uses some power to do it, not like it matters as it's a one hit kill move.

1. exactley he would wouldnt he, but thats PIS for ya isnt it...for example in the fight hes a dumbass and only teleports to 3 locations around a large room....if he was fighting properly obviously he could teleport to diffrent locations and randomly, and instantly knock down the player with one shot, but its unfair if it was in gameplay....thing is, Kain in the games doesnt lose any battle he wants to win.

its as near as instant as you can get because it takes the brain wave to activate the move, if you dont have a brain then the thought/will to do the move..whatever, you know what i mean..the move doesnt suddenly just happen, it takes a process to activate, in kain and most beings their brains...others just have minds and wills so thats the same.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. exactley he would wouldnt he, but thats PIS for ya isnt it...for example in the fight hes a dumbass and only teleports to 3 locations around a large room....if he was fighting properly obviously he could teleport to diffrent locations and randomly, and instantly knock down the player with one shot, but its unfair if it was in gameplay....thing is, Kain in the games doesnt lose any battle he wants to win.

its as near as instant as you can get because it takes the brain wave to activate the move, if you dont have a brain then the thought/will to do the move..whatever, you know what i mean..the move doesnt suddenly just happen, it takes a process to activate, in kain and most beings their brains...others just have minds and wills so thats the same.

2. Demitri thinks faster than Kain, if he can move at such speed he clearly could.

1. assume? based on what....he does it instantly...he does say anything...it has to be done by his thoughts...theres no other way he could be doing it...

2. IF he can move at such speeds, its still his movement, thats nothing to do with the speed of his mind, if he is proven to be able to fight in light speed then maybe he will beat kain to it if kain is not a far distance, but in this battle i dont think Cowgirl has put them close, considering some of them are very large...so basically we would have them all there, and suddenly time would stop before any of them bother to react since Dimitri wouldnt know kain could do something of a sort...also kain could simply dimension warp, then no matter how fast demitri is, even if he light speeds and hits kain, kain can still do somethng and could dimension warp...activate time in that dimension..then summon Dimitri into it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. assume? based on what....he does it instantly...he does say anything...it has to be done by his thoughts...theres no other way he could be doing it...

2. [B] IF he can move at such speeds, its still his movement, thats nothing to do with the speed of his mind, if he is proven to be able to fight in light speed then maybe he will beat kain to it if kain is not a far distance, but in this battle i dont think Cowgirl has put them close, considering some of them are very large...so basically we would have them all there, and suddenly time would stop before any of them bother to react since Dimitri wouldnt know kain could do something of a sort...also kain could simply dimension warp, then no matter how fast demitri is, even if he light speeds and hits kain, kain can still do somethng and could dimension warp...activate time in that dimension..then summon Dimitri into it. [/B]

2. Lightspeed is fast enough to go around the world seven times in a second. Phail.

1.thats your assumption...theres no evidence for it...kain is not tired and barely amused, if you watch the video after "excerting" himself as you put it he seems fine and not bothered at all, and he doesnt across the enitre games, if he uses a reaver ability never in gameplay or otherwise is he excerted from using reaver powers, teleport..or any of his powers. infact the only time he seems weakened in the entire time as his elder self is when he has had his battel with Raziel after being slashed with the only weapon that harms him several times and having his heart pulled out ofcourse 😕

2. and.....how do i phail, as i said their placing is Cowgirls decision, she may put them thousands times the earths diamter apart if she so wishes, and may do so considering pyrons going to be enormous anyway...and no..as weve discussed..his thought vs kains thought..and IF his lightspeed is confirmed, in battle thoughts, AND in actualy speed. It sounds like one of those DS hypes since no evidence so far has suggested any of them can lightspeed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1.thats your assumption...theres no evidence for it...kain is not tired and barely amused, if you watch the video after "excerting" himself as you put it he seems fine and not bothered at all, and he doesnt across the enitre games, if he uses a reaver ability never in gameplay or otherwise is he excerted from using reaver powers, teleport..or any of his powers. infact the only time he seems weakened in the entire time as his elder self is when he has had his battel with Raziel after being slashed with the only weapon that harms him several times and having his heart pulled out ofcourse 😕

2. and.....how do i phail, as i said their placing is Cowgirls decision, she may put them thousands times the earths diamter apart if she so wishes, and may do so considering pyrons going to be enormous anyway...and no..as weve discussed..his thought vs kains thought..and [B]IF his lightspeed is confirmed, in battle thoughts, AND in actualy speed. It sounds like one of those DS hypes since no evidence so far has suggested any of them can lightspeed. [/B]

2. Like it or not, the scan I posted showed it, tho you somehow remain "sceptical" of it, and pahil because of it. Also, let us just say they are thousands of times the earth's diameter, that would only benefit Pyron's team greatly, he has cosmic awareness and could "snipe" their asses.

1. once again an assumpstion with little grounds since its not his own mental power, its simply the thought that activates the sword, not his thought that powers the sword, the sword powers itself, with souls...there would be no logcial reason, and as shown he does the attack basically instantly and no logcial reason to think it would excert him to simply will his sword to activate a power.

2. a lot of people reamin skeptical, the scan shows nothing but a glowing dot, that can reprisent a 100 diffrent things in comics, cartoons and films....for example in pokermon team rocket getting throwin into the air they twinkle with a flash and disapear...so their leaving the solarsystem and greater than light speeds? no 😛 that comic scan shows nothing of hard evidence and further pushes the fact of him not having lightspeed to the extent when it shows his little progress from earth and his preperation to move. Also Pyron isnt the only one with Cosmic awareness...Sarg also has.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. once again an assumpstion with little grounds since its not his own mental power, its simply the thought that activates the sword, not his thought that powers the sword, the sword powers itself, with souls...there would be no logcial reason, and as shown he does the attack basically instantly and no logcial reason to think it would excert him to simply will his sword to activate a power.

2. a lot of people reamin skeptical, the scan shows nothing but a glowing dot, that can reprisent a 100 diffrent things in comics, cartoons and films....for example in pokermon team rocket getting throwin into the air they twinkle with a flash and disapear...so their leaving the solarsystem and greater than light speeds? no 😛 that comic scan shows nothing of hard evidence and further pushes the fact of him not having lightspeed to the extent when it shows his little progress from earth and his preperation to move. Also Pyron isnt the only one with Cosmic awareness...Sarg also has.

🙄 some more nonsense by the sounds of it, if he was that fast none of them, not dimitri would be able to face him..and its stupid to assume their all flying around and thousands of times lightspeed...defying physics and all sorts of laws randomly...if its true then i lose all respect for pyron apart from he looks cool.

maybe he teleported, maybe since his bots were there he could teleport back to them like a link, that would make more sense..it could also explain why he would need them.

also there is no edge to the universe....so unless this is a universe whos laws, speeds and times are completly diffrent to our own then its complete nonsense