How is Hulk invulnverable? He gets pierced by conventional weaponry. Gets burned quite alot. And had his flesh peeled off by normal foes. DD took a blast equivalent to a million nukes without being fazed and he rarely gets stabbed or pierced. It took a Galactus level being to atomize him down to a skeleton. How could Hulk compete with this?
It takes superior alien tech to *maybe* overcome DD's invulnerability, not so with the Hulk.
And some of you need to read Hunter/Prey again. It was stated by Betron that doomsday is from another unknown planet, not krypton. He isn't kryptonian.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestit shows how easily apokolips can be taken over by cyborg. tech wouldnt have saved them from doomsday anyways.
FOR THE LAST GOD DAMN TIME, THE REASON APOKOLIPS DIDN'T USE IT'S TECH ON DOOMSDAY, WAS BECAUSE THE CYBORG SUPERMAN WAS IN CONTROL OF THE PLANET'S DEFENSE SYSTEMS!!
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Even the weakess DD (DOS version) would rape 10 WWHs fighting him. This is mainly due to his speed (speed in comparison to flash's), strength (greater than even Superman's), and durability (much greater than Superman's also). DOS DD can simply throw Hulk into space with a simple gesture, moving at a speed that makes Hulk a statue. DOS DD can also easily penetrate Hulk's brain with his protrusions for a KO or kill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
it shows how easily apokolips can be taken over by cyborg. tech wouldnt have saved them from doomsday anyways.😉
Seriously Quanchi, you make it seem like it is easy to prevent Cyborg Superman from taking over tech suites.
Once again, you are saying something that you know very well to be a falacious argument.
Cyborg Superman can take over any technological system, and thus him shutting down Apokolips by tapping into the main nodal points doesn't mean that Apokolips is weak.
It would be like having a battalion of Main Battle Tanks get taken out by a tactical nuke, and then stating that shows the sheer inefficacy of modern tank warfare.
If Cyborg (from teen Titans) had done that then that would have shown Apokolip tech is a joke. But CYBORG SUPERMAN doing that is another different story.
There is something called context, and that is something i know you know quite well. Yet you insist on bringing up all sorts of arguments that do not pass the warm-spit test (e.g. on the other thread where you were showing Superman was weak by saying he got beaten up by Luthor's thugs, yet not mentioning what was the reason behind that).
Anyways, about Apokoliptan technology.
Let's put it this way ....in Batman-Superman, Bruce had gotten into a room in Apokolips that was filled to the brim with round devices. Each ONE was capable of creating a firepit in an entire planet. That was in one storeroom.
This is a good fight to me. Both are the same character, given dd's speed, hulk strength and durability increases during combat. Doomsday is hulk, but with bone claws. Hulk has taken on numerous of powerful beings at once and has over came them, just like doomsday has done. Now doomsday is the more interesting character out of the two, wwh is becoming interesting but when it comes to rage and power, both are the same. My vote 5/10 for both.
Hulk taking on onslaught is just as good as doomsday taking on the entire jla since onslaught took on the xmen and avengers at the same time by himself but hulk and onslaught was throwing punches that even had earths mightiest beings flying back because of the raw power.
WWH hasnt shown a limit yet and he has the ability to beat doomsday and would enjoy the fight. War hulk might could kill any version of doomsday since he was powered by a celestial and his strength was unlimited and didnt show a weakness. I consider him the strongest of all the hulks.
5/10
Originally posted by carver9
This is a good fight to me. Both are the same character, given dd's speed, hulk strength and durability increases during combat. Doomsday is hulk, but with bone claws. Hulk has taken on numerous of powerful beings at once and has over came them, just like doomsday has done. Now doomsday is the more interesting character out of the two, wwh is becoming interesting but when it comes to rage and power, both are the same. My vote 5/10 for both.Hulk taking on onslaught is just as good as doomsday taking on the entire jla since onslaught took on the xmen and avengers at the same time by himself but hulk and onslaught was throwing punches that even had earths mightiest beings flying back because of the raw power.
WWH hasnt shown a limit yet and he has the ability to beat doomsday and would enjoy the fight. War hulk might could kill any version of doomsday since he was powered by a celestial and his strength was unlimited and didnt show a weakness. I consider him the strongest of all the hulks.
5/10
Let's be real here. Onslaught wanted Hulk to break his armor. and earlier in the saga, he mindraped Hulk, twice. It's quite obvious that Hulk would have no chance against Onslaught in a straight fight.
Difference between DD and Hulk is: Doomsday's opponents didn't job. and Hulk has never beaten a team on par with the JLA. And for the love of god, do not compare the Avengers or the Xmen to the JLA, they are at least a tier or two above them.
What can Hulk do, that Superman, GL, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc, couldn't do? Answer: Jack shit. All Hulk brings is dynamic strength. Something DD has in abundance.
Yes, Hulk could take DOS. But after being killed by Superman, what chance does Hulk have against the other DD's? 🙄 Superman could take any Hulk 10/10, partially due to speed, but mostly due to outclassing him. Doomsday at his best would NEVER lose to any Hulk, or even all Hulks. 😉
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's be real here. Onslaught [b]wanted Hulk to break his armor. and earlier in the saga, he mindraped Hulk, twice. It's quite obvious that Hulk would have no chance against Onslaught in a straight fight.Difference between DD and Hulk is: Doomsday's opponents didn't job. and Hulk has never beaten a team on par with the JLA. And for the love of god, do not compare the Avengers or the Xmen to the JLA, they are at least a tier or two above them.
What can Hulk do, that Superman, GL, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc, couldn't do? Answer: Jack shit. All Hulk brings is dynamic strength. Something DD has in abundance.
Yes, Hulk could take DOS. But after being killed by Superman, what chance does Hulk have against the other DD's? 🙄 Superman could take any Hulk 10/10, partially due to speed, but mostly due to outclassing him. Doomsday at his best would NEVER lose to any Hulk, or even all Hulks. 😉 [/B]
I agree with you on some cases EXCEPT superman beating hulk 10/10. No matter what anyone on these forums say, i dont think that superman, wonderwoman, thor can beat no hulk 10/10. Doomsday is a very powerful character (if you havent seen the superman/doomsday movie yet, go to you tube and look at it NOW) but like I said before, he is hulk. Now it hilarious how you say that theres no team on par with jla when the avengers is the jla: Captain america>batman - Thor>superman - wonderwoman=hercules and she hulk, martian manhunter>vision: hulk is an avenger, wonderman, beast, iron man. Green lantern is the most powerful on the team but it looks pretty equal to me.
5/10 WWH, doomsday.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you on some cases EXCEPT superman beating hulk 10/10. No matter what anyone on these forums say, i dont think that superman, wonderwoman, thor can beat no hulk 10/10. Doomsday is a very powerful character (if you havent seen the superman/doomsday movie yet, go to you tube and look at it NOW) but like I said before, he is hulk. Now it hilarious how you say that theres no team on par with jla when the avengers is the jla: Captain america>batman - Thor>superman - wonderwoman=hercules and she hulk, martian manhunter>vision: hulk is an avenger, wonderman, beast, iron man. Green lantern is the most powerful on the team but it looks pretty equal to me.5/10 WWH, doomsday.
Hulk beating a good team of Avengers (IE: one that has Thor, Quasar, or another solid herald leveler) requires some jobbing on the Avenger's part. Doomsday can solo most incarnations of the Avengers. I refrain from saying all, since I don't know all of them.
The JLA couldn't stop DD, the Avengers would have no chance.
Doomsday=Hulk? Hell nah. stoned Doomsday>>Hulk. And that's just DOS DD. All the Doomsdays after that far outclass the Hulk.
Supes, Wondy, Thor, NOT take 10/10? Yeah, sure. 🙄 Let's ignore the unholy plot device that is Mjolnir and that Thor fights like an idiot when he faces Hulk most of the time. Or the vast, vast, vast, speed difference between Hulk and Supes or Wondy. Or Wondy's lasso. Or Superman's other powers.
that one has been proved countless times. You have to severely handicap Superman to give Hulk a shot at beating him. 😄
JLA vs. Avengers is an old arguement. And 90-95% of the time, JLA wins. There's not only a power difference, it's the sheer versatility and teamwork.
Read Grant Morrison's run on JLA vol. 3. You'll see what I mean.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hulk beating a good team of Avengers (IE: one that has Thor, Quasar, or another solid herald leveler) requires some jobbing on the Avenger's part. Doomsday can solo most incarnations of the Avengers. I refrain from saying all, since I don't know all of them.The JLA couldn't stop DD, the Avengers would have no chance.
Doomsday=Hulk? Hell nah. stoned Doomsday>>Hulk. And that's just DOS DD. All the Doomsdays after that far outclass the Hulk.
Supes, Wondy, Thor, [b]NOT
take 10/10? Yeah, sure. 🙄 Let's ignore the unholy plot device that is Mjolnir and that Thor fights like an idiot when he faces Hulk most of the time. Or the vast, vast, vast, speed difference between Hulk and Supes or Wondy. Or Wondy's lasso. Or Superman's other powers.that one has been proved countless times. You have to severely handicap Superman to give Hulk a shot at beating him. 😄
JLA vs. Avengers is an old arguement. And 90-95% of the time, JLA wins. There's not only a power difference, it's the sheer versatility and teamwork.
Read Grant Morrison's run on JLA vol. 3. You'll see what I mean. [/B]
Kalibak seems not to have a problem with supermans speed. A lot of heavy hitters seems to work around the speed that wonderwoman and superman display and i think that hulk could also do the same thing.
I hate the hulk but I am going to give him his credit. Hulk has the power and the ability to give doomsday and fight and possibly win. Hulk has the ability to withstand a lot of damage output and continue to fight until he wins. Like I said before, hulk and doomsday are the same beings. Hulk has him a win over pre crisis superman (even though I dont agree with the win but it happened), so thats not a good thing to bring to the table, doomsday beating this or that.
With all the powerhouses on both teams of the avengers and jla, they seem pretty equal to me. Whoever you put on the table for the jla I can put someone up from the avengers side that could beat him or her.