Wolverine's Healing Factor

Originally posted by masterbruce
his heart was cut in half, yet he was walking around as if nothing happened...but passes out hours later? doesn't make any sense

also, are you calling the bullets KOing him PIS? 🙄

He passed out due to hunger and lack of sleep.......did you even read the issue?

No I am saying it controdicts countless other showings. Though it not that bad since Logan again had not slept or eaten for a quite a large period of time. He was shot in the head. He was stabbed and fought with winter soldier. The got shoot with a high powered rifle in the heart 3 times.

He was also only out for a few seconds.

it was a low showing so who cares every character has them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No he's magical man/wolverine/mutant/Canadian who is part of God's body and has had various past lives.

Because Marvel doesn't take muties too far or anything.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
it been part of his character since his first title.

That doesn't not make it taking muties too far though.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't not make it taking muties too far though.

He had past lives whoopy. whats the big deal any ways. He simply a recarnation of warriors through the ages.

you act like it such a big deal.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It does if you read the comic................

He passed out due to hunger and lack of sleep.......did you even read the issue?

No I am saying it controdicts countless other showings. Though it not that bad since Logan again had not slept or eaten for a quite a large period of time. He was shot in the head. He was stabbed and fought with winter soldier. The got shoot with a high powered rifle in the heart 3 times.

He was also only out for a few seconds.

it was a low showing so who cares every character has them.

um...alright, I'm gonna read the comic again when I get the chance and see if what you're saying is accurate

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I really don't see peoples issue with it.

He had past lives whoopy. whats the big deal any ways. He simply a recarnation of warriors through the ages.

you act like it such a big deal.

name another mutant with past lives

Originally posted by masterbruce
name another mutant with past lives

Originally posted by masterbruce
um...alright, I'm gonna read the comic again when I get the chance and see if what you're saying is accurate

go a head. he ends up eating his own arm.

I love how you don't read wolverine comics yet you try and debate about him all them time and say he should not be doing things he does...........how do you know what he should and should not do when you clearly don't read his comics.

you pritty much destroy any crediablity you had which was pritty much none.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.........why would I have to do that? why does that matter.

Umm if it doesn't mean anything why even have it as part of a storyline at all then? 😕

Originally posted by willRules
Umm if it doesn't mean anything why even have it as part of a storyline at all then? 😕

all it mean is he was recarnated.........

not seeing why you care.

He was the choosen warrior to kill Ba'al.

that was the importance of it.

you should read the arc it quite good.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what...........

all it mean is he was recarnated.........

not seeing why you care.

He was the choosen warrior to kill Ba'al.

that was the importance of it.

you should read the arc it quite good.

It just seemed to me that you were placing quite a bit of emphasis on the fact that it wasn't important that he was a mutant with past lives, so I was just questioning the point of him having past lives. It just seems like an excuse for another storyline to me 😉

Originally posted by willRules
It just seemed to me that you were placing quite a bit of emphasis on the fact that it wasn't important that he was a mutant with past lives, so I was just questioning the point of him having past lives. It just seems like an excuse for another storyline to me 😉

I was not even the one who brought it up.

I don't really care about it. it has nothing to do with this thread for the most part.

well seeing as how he had a few arcs about his past lives.

and the fact during his civil war run they explain he has some sort of immortality I don't think it was an excuse.

It just part of his character and has been for years.

any ways that really has nothing to do with this thread so lets end that conversation.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
it been part of his character since his first title.

That may be a bit disingenuous, of perhaps more fairly, ill informed. The character has gone through a ton of conceptual changes over the years, despite the extremely enthusiastic fans asserting that he's always been immortal transmigrating poly-martial arts master with a godlike healing factor and innate claws.

Wein has gone on record several times that he intended the the claws to be in the gloves. Claremont nixed that when he got a-hold of him (astutely seeing that the claws were his signature characteristic) Wein, J.R.Sr. and Trimpe envisioned him to be young rather than middle aged, and a mutated wolverine created by the High Evolutionary. Claremont and Cockrum were even dropping hints toward that origin until Stan Lee had Spider-Woman's mutated-spider origin retconned because he didn't like it. They didn't want to get shot down with the same idea. Sabertooth was absolutely going to be his father until Claremont left marvel. (Claremont posted his left-over notes to the COMICS-L bitnet listserv back in 94. Ah, what might have been)

Most of the character we know grew out of the Claremont/Byrne collaboration, with a heaping helping of 90's EXTREME! smeared all over the top. Shame that it won't wipe off, it obscures the otherwise great character underneath. He was plenty cool without all the hyperbole.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
That may be a bit disingenuous, of perhaps more fairly, ill informed. The character has gone through a ton of conceptual changes over the years, despite the extremely enthusiastic fans asserting that he's always been immortal transmigrating poly-martial arts master with a godlike healing factor and innate claws.

Wein has gone on record several times that he intended the the claws to be in the gloves. Claremont nixed that when he got a-hold of him (astutely seeing that the claws were his signature characteristic) Wein, J.R.Sr. and Trimpe envisioned him to be young rather than middle aged, and a mutated wolverine created by the High Evolutionary. Claremont and Cockrum were even dropping hints toward that origin until Stan Lee had Spider-Woman's mutated-spider origin retconned because he didn't like it. They didn't want to get shot down with the same idea. Sabertooth was absolutely going to be his father until Claremont left marvel. (Claremont posted his left-over notes to the COMICS-L bitnet listserv back in 94. Ah, what might have been)

Most of the character we know grew out of the Claremont/Byrne collaboration, with a heaping helping of 90's EXTREME! smeared all over the top. Shame that it won't wipe off, it obscures the otherwise great character underneath. He was plenty cool without all the hyperbole.

Im the one who put that on wiki............which seems to be were you got your info.

Oh and when it comes to wolverine I am far from ill informed/

I know what your talking about. thats has nothing to do with what I said.
what i said had to do with one of his first on going solo title after he was shown to have a healing factor and amazing MA skills.

also the sabertooth being his father idea did not get nix till around the 90's. They never said it was his father for sure, but it was one of the ideas they have. This however does not effect my statment at all.

does not matter either way since they kept the idea of him being recarnated and a couple years ago did a whole arc on it. Think it was 2001

also things you forgott to mention was the fact he was supose to be spidermans equal stat wise. You also forgott to mention he did not have a healing factor either.

Originally posted by masterbruce
This is probably one of the most, if not THE MOST, controversial topics on KMC.

So I hope through this thread, some consensus can be reached on what Logan's healing factor is capable of.

Today, I went to Borders Bookstore and read 2 Wolverine tradebacks, both of which seemed pretty recent.

One was called "Origins and Endings". In it, Logan gets stabbed by Silver Samurai in the gut, a few hours later he passes out. Also, in the same book, he gets shot by a women with a machine gun, and he goes unconscious.

So this leads me to believe that Logan's healing factor isn't as powerful as some *ahem* *capt* *ahem* have hyped it up to be.

WOlverine hadn't eaten for months before his battle with the Silver Samurai. If you read the comic you'd understand that. I agree that Wolverine's healing factor sort of depends on the writer, but in this case the duels in Origins and Endings don't take anything away from his healing abilities.

I wasn't aiming to be exhaustive, merely point out a few conceptual changes.

The early concepts are on tons of different sites as they've been oft repeated in print interviews for many years (sadly no more to come from Cockrum). I regretfully have not been able to find a bitnet archive anywhere since those days. It seems that the colleges who were upgrading to the internet in those days were so eager to leave bitnet behind that they didn't bother with the old lists.

The point I'm trying to make is that his character concept has changed many times and is still changing going forward. Some changes are for the better, some are for the worse.

Sometimes though, when someone remarks that he's powered up over the years, there's this cry of "There never was a 'Classic Wolverine,' he's always been this uber." This is no more true than to say that he's still an improved New Men experiment.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I wasn't aiming to be exhaustive, merely point out a few conceptual changes.

The early concepts are on tons of different sites as they've been oft repeated in print interviews for many years (sadly no more to come from Cockrum).

The point I'm trying to make is that his character concept has changed many times and is still changing going forward. Some changes are for the better, some are for the worse.

Sometimes though, when someone remarks that he's powered up over the years, there's this cry of "There never was a 'Classic Wolverine,' he's always been this uber." This is no more true than to say that he's still an improved New Men experiment.

Though since his original revamp he has only change by getting up grades to his healling factor which were fully explained.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I get your point but this really does not effect what I am saying though.

Though since his original revamp he has only change by getting up grades to his healling factor which were fully explained.

The bone-claws were a serious latter-day retcon. He never showed claws in a single flashback to his pre-adamantium days prior to that storyline. The whole "immotality" thing is a fairly major change to the character too.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The bone-claws were a serious latter-day retcon. He never showed claws in a single flashback to his pre-adamantium days prior to that storyline. The whole "immotality" thing is a fairly major change to the character too.

most of his flash backs to this day he had no idea he was a mutant.

Not sure what the bone claws has to do with this thread at all either.....

actaully the immortal thing is not new.

like I said he has been stated as recarnations...........that alone would make him immortal since any time he died he simply recarnated.

also he was stated in 92 graphic noval of weapon x as immortal.

He was stated by a few other sources as immortal as well.

so the immortal thing is not really a new idea

Perhaps we're dancing around a dissonance in perspective here. My impressions of Wolverine were first formed reading Claremont/Cockrum, Claremont/Byrne, and Claremont/J.R.Jr., and Claremont/SylvestriX-Men in my youth. I stopped reading X-men regularly around Uncanny #280 or so, though I still picked up an issue here and there.

The development of unstoppable Godlike Wolverine is something that came about in maybe the most recent 40% of his history. It doesn't mean those stories are invalid or wrong, but when I see Logan stand in the middle of a burning oil refinery inferno and not keel-over, or the when Xavier Protacalls say that the only way to beat him would be decapitation from a distance; I still just feel a deep down, "Say Wha?"