Cloud vs Chaos Vincent

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Would just like to add that Cloud was not out for the count when Sephiroth stabbed his shoulder. He just showed pain, and was obviously exhausted. Had he not been able to keep fighting he would not have found the strength to not only remove Sephiroth's masamune from his shoulder, but grab the 1st Tsurugi and then slash at Sephiroth in 1 fluid move. The rest is the good ole pis as we know.

And about Loz, Yazoo & Kadaj beating on Cloud...not only was he outnumbered during the sleeping forest fight; he had just fallen off his bike, slided on the ground for a good while and he only showed signs of weakness when the Geostigma kicked in. That is the exact moment Kadaj capitalizes to take Cloud down. Same thing happened when Yazoo & Loz were fighitng Cloud at the beginning of the movie. By the way I really doubt Yazoo shot Cloud in the face during their first match. he was clearly just taunting his big brother.

He did shoot cloud in the face point blank, u see and hear the gun firing, and u see Clouds head cock back, then u see blood dripping down his head right after.

That Cloud was gettin beat around during the whole movie, he would've got owned by Kadaj one on one at the time, but after he lost his geostigma and started getting over Aeris, he pwned both Yazoo and Loz, then pwned Kadaj one on one, and even held his own against Sephiroth for awhile, got stabbed and still summoned the strength to pull off an Omnislash.

Originally posted by MadMel
true...also, those "speed jumps" are actually chaos and weiss going at it like in the first half of that movie...thats how fast he is..

Yazoo shot Cloud's glasses. Not his face. Had he done it Cloud would have been dead from the very beginning. Or are you trying to imply Cloud is invulnerable to bullets? By the way Cloud was not impaled in a vital organ. His shoulder got stabbed, nothing more.

People have some sort of notion that cloud has some sort of god status... reminds me of Wolverine in the vs forum.... Hes good... not that good... Chaos would kill him within milliseconds

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
People have some sort of notion that cloud has some sort of god status... reminds me of Wolverine in the vs forum.... Hes good... not that good... Chaos would kill him within milliseconds

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
People have some sort of notion that cloud has some sort of god status... reminds me of Wolverine in the vs forum.... Hes good... not that good... Chaos would kill him within milliseconds

No, it's his accomplishments that put him on the level that he's at. Cloud was overwhelmed by three characters that were just fooling around and were not in Chaos' league, and before you bring up the Sephiroth battle, it was absolute PIS as everyone already knows.

As I already said, Chaos was moving fast enough in that cutscene that he was not even visible. Cloud would die before he knew what happened in this battle.

^ stop using emo cloud with geostigma as an example of clouds strength, after cloud got rid of geostigma and started getting over aeris, he pwned them both without much trouble, then pwned kadaj. Chaos was very well visible, he had the exact same speed jumps as Loz but with extra sound effects and slow motion effects

Alright, forgot about the Geostigma part. No, Chaos wasn't visible when he was traveling as fast as he was in the video nor Weiss for that matter. All you saw were beams of light at the point.

He disintegrates Cloud the same way he did Omega.

Originally posted by shin_gear
Alright, forgot about the Geostigma part. No, Chaos wasn't visible when he was traveling as fast as he was in the video nor Weiss for that matter, so don't try to argue otherwise. All you saw were beams of light at the point.

Yes that happens when 2 fast ppl fight eachother, if Loz was fighting Weiss it would look like that as well, however if one is moving fast and one is not, it would look like when Weiss speeds and Vincent wasnt moving fast, which looks exactly like Cloud vs Loz

That didn't make a lot of sense. Are you saying Chaos and Weiss weren't really moving that fast, because I'm not about to argue something as trivial as that.

If you think Cloud would win this that's fine. He definitely does not have greater chances here and most likely has around a 30% chance of victory with PIS included.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Yes that happens when 2 fast ppl fight eachother, if Loz was fighting Weiss it would look like that as well, however if one is moving fast and one is not, it would look like when Weiss speeds and Vincent wasnt moving fast, which looks exactly like Cloud vs Loz

No im saying that it looks that fast when 2 ppl are doing those fast speed jumps at the same time, however; when u see Weiss move fast and Vincent NOT MOVE FAST it looks like those speed jumps which looks exactly the same as Loz vs Cloud

To be honest Dirge Of Cerberus to me was a selling out of FFVII.

The power in it was way over board than anything even hinted in FFVII (Refering to Chaos & Omega and how big that wave was)

Btw, Cloud loses this, but he's still way more of a hero than Valentine can hope to become.

Originally posted by Terryc250
^ stop using emo cloud with geostigma as an example of clouds strength, after cloud got rid of geostigma and started getting over aeris, he pwned them both without much trouble, then pwned kadaj. Chaos was very well visible, he had the exact same speed jumps as Loz but with extra sound effects and slow motion effects

Chaos was stated faster than light according to Ultimania... Chaos is a planetary aspect. Blades dont seem to hurt Chaos anyways...

PM me the link to that Ultimania if you can. I'm interested to read it.

By the way, he argued that Cloud would cut him in half which would not happed for several reasons. A. Chaos is too fast. B. He could block his swords just like how he blocked Weiss'. C. Why couldn't he just regrow his other half as he can to all parts of his body.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Chaos was stated faster than light according to Ultimania... Chaos is a planetary aspect. Blades dont seem to hurt Chaos anyways...

FFVII Ultimania Omega isnt even out in english; however i found a translation of it, and I couldn't find anywhere in it saying anything about Chaos being faster then light, people should really stop it with this "zomg hez too fast!!1" thing, Cloud obviously can deal with speedy opponents, if people started judging people by how cool and fast they look during battle, then Chaos and Weiss should easily beable to take on Sephiroth because in AC he was just as fast as Cloud.

He disintegrates Cloud the same way he did Omega.

Where in hell are people getting they were just toying with cloud. If cloud let down their guard at anytime he would have been dead. If the Silvered haired borthers let down their guard they would have been dead. Sephiroth himself was even intrigued with the fact on how incredibely strong cloud has gotten over those 2 years. If sephiroth was toying around. then please provide evidence where he was not messing. Please provide the evidence of combat experience where these people are not playing around.

Oh...Cloud loses. Chaos is a entity from the planet. Unless your saying Cloud>>>the Planet life stream then cloud looses. Oh and Cloud would beat down Vincent any days. Oh and Vincent bullet speed as nothing to do with his physical speed. If guns went on how fast we moved then guns wouldn't be that feared. Cloud has a good since of direction but Chaos would still win 8/10

^ I found this in a translation guide of FFVII Ultimania Omega

"It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying
hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described
by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion."

I've read that several times.

And they were obviously toying with Cloud, since they were snickering the entire way through while Cloud was fighting for his life.