Scion lord Kain VS "teh kain pwnzors"

Okie, Setting, enormous version of the pillars, kain starts off in his throne, however all you see in the pic below has been expanded by about 100, the round floor area, the pillars spreading out, ofcourse not kains throne which stays its original size but this is to give them some area to fight on..the pillars are indestructable as is the ground their fighting on, the spectoral realm has indefinate souls around the entire area

Kain is in his scion of balance form, he has evolved wings, this is kain with fully endowed reaver, all emblems, Raziel inside the blade as well as the reaver having all Raziels reaver powers. A representation of kain in this form is below, kain has infnite reaver energy due to the location and the amount of souls in the spectoral realm, he knows they are coming

Teh kain Pwnzors (shhh i couldnt think of another name 😛 )

this team consists of the following:
Pyron at about 10% he is unable to shift from his size form seen in the OVA and cannot create mini suns due to obvious reasons (hell end up killing his teamates), his powers over his rough shape however remain, as does his strength, speed and instangibility

Sephiroth Who has all his abilities seen in Advent children, as well as some spells from the games barring heartless angel, supernova, etc etc, simpler ones such as meteors are allowed

Cloud Strife Same goes for Cloud, simple materia, limit breaks are allowed

Ryu all weps

Kratos He is in his God form, like pyron he cannot become large, he is human sized but has God strength, all weapons from both GOW 1 and 2

Master Chief wields duel assault rifles, fuel rod and 2 plasma grenades

Illidan Stormrage this is at his prime, perhaps before he gets taken down by Arthas

Dante AND Vergil both of them have their primes, Sparda form allowed, Vergil has all his weapons, Dante has only Ebony and ivory long range arms, all his swords/melee allowed, between them they have one yellow Orb to revive them, however only one may use ofcourse so its a decision on the debators part, one will permanently die however..the remaining will be immune to mind attacks including TK (dante will lose his sparda form if he is revived)

Diablo Heroes, Sorc, Barb, amazon and Druid Best equipment ofcourse, druid has max summons of 4 all together, Barb can only use one Shout..Sorc tele can be used 5 times

Rules

-time manipulation minimal, only lasts 5 mins

-DT lasts 10 mins, then has a 20 min cool down

-kain loses if submissoned, knocked out for an hour OR unable to fight

Let the battle....BEGIN!!
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With best equipment, there'll be enigmas for the diablo heroes.. Or will they be banned?

Enigmas are allowed however the Tele will be resitrcted to about 3, another note for this please a good description of how, why someone wins, and how to battle will go 😄 no one liners such as "zomg (insert name) gets pwned" or something like that, (i know you wont Darth, your good for posts)...i like a good read of a battle

Since I dont know much about Kain and the others, I'll go with what I do know for now..

Pyron's speed and strength will most likely be the largest distraction for Kain.. Same as with the Barbarian, Pyron is one of those characters that doesn't give his foe any rest.. Assuming his soul isn't drainable, Pyron will to a degree keep Kain occupied..

Sephirot is a badass character, which proven high skills with the blade.. His strength and supernatural agility will too have Kain being forced onto defensive.. However, if this is the Advent Children Sephirot, then he's quite vournable and I'd say that concludes him from the threat factor, as Kain possess a vast amount of power..

Cloud's omnislash is horribly dangerous if he is at his prime.. As seen in the game, he had to use only one to finish Sephirot..

Ryu's devil incarnate blade would be quite badass, but unfortunatly I think it's over-rated.. Ryu along with Master Chief will be the lowest characters on the threat factor.. Ryu may be fast, but the other characters has what he lacks.. His devil incarnate may make a difference, but I doubt the black dragon will do much soul attacking on Kain.. The soul, is from what I have learnt "the homefield advantage" for Kain..

Kratos fought the greek Gods.. An impressive feet, and a clear threat factor.. However, a flying Kain will quickly exclude him from the fight.. Unless he has his pegasi..

As I mentioned earlier, Master Chief will probably be the least factor.. He exceeds probably Dante, Ryo, Cloud, Sephirot, Sorceress, Druid and Amazon in strength, but he is as good as powerless.. A direct impact by the fuel rod, and a neat stick with the grenades might do the trick, but once he have ran out of ammo and nades, he's not much use.. His assault rifles are limited, and he's no match to Kain without his gear..

Illidan Stormrage, at his prime.. He may have lost against Arthas the deathknight, but he'll do fine here.. Illidan is a master of all magic.. He is partly "magic omniscient".. He can not use all magical, but he knows them.. Kil'Jaeden made sure of this.. In a way, possibly the greatest threat to Kain.. He'll analyze the weaknesses, and due his intelligence he will probably calculate a way to defeat Kain thanks to the others in the team.. He himself may not do much when it comes to actual powers, but he's a strategical mastermind and an expert of magic and rituals..

And his physical strength could possiblt be meassured with Kain.. His size exceed Kain which might give him an advantage.. And a disadvantage.. Either way, he'll be a big factor in the fight.. If not in actual damage, he'll be a great threat trough mind.. He did capture and keep Magtheridon imprisoned, claiming himself as lord of Outland, unchallanged..

If Kain attacks Illidan and he survives, comes the funny part.. The enraged Illidan will be more dangerous.. The closer Illidan is to death, the tougher he fights.. If Illidan at some point take demon form, not only does he grow bigger, but he'll become ranged and gain strength of unimaginable level..

Dante and Vergil.. I dont know much about them, but if they can put up as much of a fight against Neltharion as he claim to be, then I would far from exclude Dante from this fight.. But since I know little or none about him and Vergil, I wont even go there..

The Diablo heroes.. Clearly underrated at this forum.. Their as good as elemental immunity and high defense makes them very resistant to all attacks that is from the physical realm.. They may lack the Necromancer and Paladin, which would make this battle totaly different, but the Amazon for one can do a whole lot of damage..

For a starter, the Amazon doesn't miss.. Her guided arrow will hit, and it'll penetrate and go back into Kain, penetrate and go back in again.. This is one hit, by what I assume will be BOTD bow.. She'll fire a circus of 3 arrows each second, all homing to Kain, passing allied without harming them.. Her freezing arrow might slow Kain down, and this is only the amazon.. Who also has a circus of 70% to dodge all attacks, physical, elemental or spiritual..

The Barbarian.. I doubt I have to mention that he's; After Pyron, Kratos and Illidan, the one that can take the most beating of these.. His strength is enormous, as he can wield two twohanded swords at once, swinging them like they were wooden sticks.. If he uses Doom and BOTD in dual wield, he will both slow and damage the foe at matter.. He can jump over a 100 meters, and he can go into frenzy.. He will also increase all team-mates health and mana by loads of percent, with his shout..

The druid, with his Grizzly, Spirit of the Oak/Bard, a life-draining creeper and possibly a raven, he'll be enough to make a well distraction.. As for the next step.. He'll be able to constantly trough the entire battle absorb all elemental damage caused to him, and keep both vulcanos, hurricanes, meteors and balls of molten lava active.. Not to mention his beam of frost..
That is only his elements.. He can also turn into a werewolf, which too can cause quite some damage.. Especially with Fury and Rabies..

The sorceress.. Dangerous in the way that she can untireable spam spells that thanks to her skilled arts in combat will only harm the chosen foe and other hostile nearby.. Her different elements may be one factor, but the greatest danger is possibly her static field.. She'll reduce Kain's health in..

Watch this 😊

Percent..

A big step in order to defeat him..

So, my conclusion would be that, that Kain is fighting numbers over his head.. Not exactly weaklings, any of them.. Even if he decided to drain everyones soul, it wouldn't take many seconds before he was worn out from all attacks.. Pyron, Cloud, Sorceress and Illidan causing the most damage, imo..

Of course, I dont know much about everyone, and I'm currently reading the Kain respect threat.. This is just my speculation..

Kain might be fighting the numbers of, but he'll loose soon enough.. He'll simply be DROWNED in attacks..

Longer than expected 😐

🙂 good good, very good, thats the sort of thing i like, i think ill make my own opinion on the battle in detail once we have several good opinions out there such as yours, V2D being pyrons buddy, Gears is good with FF, Debel Dante so ill w8 till theres a few replies before i get my view but i would agree, Illidan is perhaps the biggest threat

Possibly.. His knowledge in magic, his strength combined and his supreme strategican and intellectual mind makes Illidan a good threat..

I will be the lazy one and simply 'second' DE 😇

Well, both Dante&Vergil at their prime?

So we basically have Nero Angelo (DMC1)&Dante as high demonic lord (Super Sparda form) from DMC2. 10 minutes on DT is also pretty much equals the time for which it's possible for them to resist soul suck.
Next...It was officially stated that though Atlus Megaten:Nocturne storyline is non-canon, the version they use there is the same Dante as in DMC2 in terms of powerset (Atlus design group consulted Capcom on that), so we can measure Dante's immunity&resistance to stuff in actual numbers (100% immunity to "black" magic/demonic attacks (Kain's "blood magic" aka Blood Shower/Blood gout can count as that), good resistance against another types of magic, incredible durability/healing factor). The blasts of demonic energy in Dante's high demonic form (Super Sparda form) is pretty much an instant kill for many enemies...Though Kain can go to spectral realm, but that'll prevent him from attacking the opposing group in material realm.

And pretty many characters in the opposing group (not only Dante&Vergil) have at least some fighting record against ghosts/immaterial creatures.

In terms of speed both brothers are faster than Kain, the only showings of speed Kain has is swinging his sword fast, while Dante (running speed without upgrades is supersonic) has additional speed upgrades from Quickheart/Alastor "lightning speed". Fighting speed allows to catch/cut bullets and rockets in midair.
Speed of flight is supersonic for both and Vergil as Nero Angelo has mastered combat teleportation (even in youth he was more adept at teleporting than his brother, though Dante also posesses that ability).

That's just on Dante& Vergil...but they're not the only ones opposing.

Elemental powers of the purified Reaver are probably null&void there, since there's so many stuff to counter those in the opposing team.

excellent another opinion, Gears plz come here and seriously comment on Ryu, Cloud and Sephiroth and what they can do please, Cloud and Sephiroths only attacks that are barred are heartless angel and Supernova as well as attacks similiar to them 😄 Also ime interested in where it says he runs/moves at supersonic speed? Also Blood gout/shower cannot be immediatley assumed as Dark magic since it is not classed as such.

Replace Master Chief with Samus or Megaman

hmm yes okie, Chief is a little bit weak, ill use Samus instead then on the team with all her weapons except anything that can go massdestruction , but i dont really know her abilities very well.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Replace Master Chief with Samus or Megaman

Megaman would be better🙂

it depends on what his powers consist off, from looking at his Wikipedia he wouldnt be a threat at all

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Since I dont know much about Kain and the others, I'll go with what I do know for now..

Pyron's speed and strength will most likely be the largest distraction for Kain.. Same as with the Barbarian, Pyron is one of those characters that doesn't give his foe any rest.. Assuming his soul isn't drainable, Pyron will to a degree keep Kain occupied..

Sephirot is a badass character, which proven high skills with the blade.. His strength and supernatural agility will too have Kain being forced onto defensive.. However, if this is the Advent Children Sephirot, then he's quite vournable and I'd say that concludes him from the threat factor, as Kain possess a vast amount of power..

Ryu's devil incarnate blade would be quite badass, but unfortunatly I think it's over-rated.. Ryu along with Master Chief will be the lowest characters on the threat factor.. Ryu may be fast, but the other characters has what he lacks.. His devil incarnate may make a difference, but I doubt the black dragon will do much soul attacking on Kain.. The soul, is from what I have learnt "the homefield advantage" for Kain..

Kratos fought the greek Gods.. An impressive feet, and a clear threat factor.. However, a flying Kain will quickly exclude him from the fight.. Unless he has his pegasi..

As I mentioned earlier, Master Chief will probably be the least factor.. He exceeds probably Dante, Ryo, Cloud, Sephirot, Sorceress, Druid and Amazon in strength, but he is as good as powerless.. A direct impact by the fuel rod, and a neat stick with the grenades might do the trick, but once he have ran out of ammo and nades, he's not much use.. His assault rifles are limited, and he's no match to Kain without his gear..

Dante and Vergil.. I dont know much about them, but if they can put up as much of a fight against Neltharion as he claim to be, then I would far from exclude Dante from this fight.. But since I know little or none about him and Vergil, I wont even go there..

1. Pyron is IMO Kain's biggest threat. He is the fastest and probably tied in strength or a little less than Kratos on this battlefield, and has very powerful attacks.Also, BT, did you mean Pyron at 20%, cause you said 10%. Anyway, at 20%, Pyron can grow to a size much larger than buildings BT, as he is fighting a giant Huitzil robot about his size, and he sends the Phobos(Huitzil, that will be what I call them now) crashing into big buildings that are still much smaller than them. Pyron has an impenetrable force field he calls at will(he does not have to roll into a ball as shown in his fight with Donavan)and can tele himself and others, and has cosmic awareness, he could easily analyze Kain's powers.

2. AC Seph is the strongest incarnation of Seph to date, as stated by the creator.

3. Devil Incarnate split the planet.

4. He has incredible accuracy with his Typhon's Bane, a bow that fires wind arrows, can throw thunderbolts, and if this is God Kratos he is like 300 feet tall and can shoot fireballs. Also, Kratos along with Pyron is physically strongest here, maybe even moreso than Pyron.

5. MC is stronger than a Barb(unless you have a real strength feat for him to say otherwise) and is capable of lifting at least 60 tons, and can run a kilometer in seconds(for actual time ask Superboy Prime). He is an expert tactician, and a master of all weapons he has to use. He also is an expert in H2H if it comes to that, and I think that he should be given an energy sword to fall back on if he gets low on ammo.

6. I'm not an expert, but I know they are fast, highly immune to injury, and have a healing factor.

I think Kain falls.

And BT, yes, Pyron is my buddy. 😮‍💨

i know he can grow bigger in reality V2D, but for this battle ime limiting him to human size so he doesnt cover too much space 😄 , his Cosmic awareness ime still unconvinced about as is everyone as far as i know, analyzing a planet is diffrent from anazlyzing a completly alien being, for example he did not analyze Demitri could absorb him for example.

hmm maybe ill give my opinion on the battle now, unless Guilty gears can explain accuratley Cloud and Sephs powers

Originally posted by Burning thought
i know he can grow bigger in reality V2D, but for this battle ime limiting him to human size so he doesnt cover too much space 😄 , his Cosmic awareness ime still unconvinced about as is everyone as far as i know, analyzing a planet is diffrent from anazlyzing a completly alien being, for example he did not analyze Demitri could absorb him for example.

hmm maybe ill give my opinion on the battle now, unless Guilty gears can explain accuratley Cloud and Sephs powers

Also, I have good knowledge on FFVII as well.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He does have cosmic awareness, this is backed up by his ending observing the Andromeda, he was looking at the various life forms on earth and correctly predicted their evolution into powerful creatures, and I have a comic site that lists one of his powers as cosmic awareness. One reason why he lost to Demitri was likely because he was arrogant, he considered himself an invincible god, and had never been proven wrong til then.

Also, I have good knowledge on FFVII as well.

hmm thats fair enough, but he may overestimate his chances here as well, not to menstion kain has some mind tricks that could distort what pyron thinks he is looking at, Kain using the mind emblem can create master illusions and tricks to the mind so that he may be able to give pyron a list of abilities that are weak/inefective or compeltly false

sure, if you dont mind can you list some of Cloud and Sephs greatest strengths, powers and feets, leaving out Heartless angel and super nova and things like that plz 😄 i PMed gears if he would do it tho

Originally posted by Burning thought
hmm thats fair enough, but he may overestimate his chances here as well, not to menstion kain has some mind tricks that could distort what pyron thinks he is looking at, Kain using the mind emblem can create master illusions and tricks to the mind so that he may be able to give pyron a list of abilities that are weak/inefective or compeltly false

sure, if you dont mind can you list some of Cloud and Sephs greatest strengths, powers and feets, leaving out Heartless angel and super nova and things like that plz 😄 i PMed gears if he would do it tho

I'll start with Cloud.

Strength: He is able to cut thru metal pieces of building and wields a very large weapon at lightning speeds.

Speed: He is very fast, capable of moving faster than most in this fight, such as when he was fighting three powerful opponents at once, and can jump great distances that exceed 200 feet at least.

Durability: Above human, but can still be pierced by swords.

Stamina: Cloud can fight multiple opponents for extended periods of time without tiring.

Power: Depends on materia.

Reach: His weapon is quite large.

Intelligence: Is a dumbass for not having a threesome with Tifa and Aeris.

Now onto Seph.

Strength: Stronger than Cloud, blocked Cloud's blow easily despite Cloud attacking with a powerful falling(from like over 100 feet) overhead slash, and impaled a Midgar Zolom(a 30 foot Cobra monster) thru a tree.

Speed: Fast enough to easily dodge and block two powerful and fast enemies simultaneously, toys with Cloud, who is very fast.

Durability: Can still be pierced, but seems to be highly resistant to fire or magic and is a bit more durable than Cloud.

Stamina: Has never been shown to get tired.

Power: Can use the highest forms of all materia, and can fire blade beams everytime he slashes.

Reach: Really long sword that can fire blade beams.

Intelligence: Above average, but seems to grow stupid when fighting Cloud, so if Kain dyes and spikes his hair he should take Seph fairly easily.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Intelligence: Above average, but seems to grow stupid when fighting Cloud, so if Kain dyes and spikes his hair he should take Seph fairly easily.

😆 ty V2D, so what sort of materia do they have, ive heard of barriers, Blizzaga, lightning and stuff