Well prove your point D-Block, Wonder Woman and Thor took a punch from Superman, and both were knocked out, the only difference here is that Superman normally holds back, and against Wonder Woman he did not. His mind was infected by Max Lord. Max Lord convinced Superman that Wonder Woman was Doomsday, and that Doomsday had killed Lois, in so believing that the love of his life was dead his inhibitions were removed, he then proceeded to drag Diana into space, and punched her back to earth... this is where it gets interesting she blacked out before reaching orbit, but the heat of re-enty began to waken her, she attempted to stop her free fall, but could not stop in time for her to avoid impacting the earth. She was moving faster than terminal velocity... far faster, because it was Superman that swatted her back there. She hit with the force of a comet, but got back to her feet in moments, Thor would not be able to do this. How can I say this??? Well in the Avengers/JLA cross-over Superman was not fighting to kill Thor, and yet he still managed to knock him out, and for a much longer duration. With Wonder Woman he didn't even get a ten count out of her. She would most likely beat Thor, she is far more durable, as my argument indicates. I really hated admitting that Wonder Woman could take him because I like Thor more, but come on now... she can take better than he can give, but he can not take what she gives.
D-Block here's a few links to show you the fight that i was talking about.
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job17mx.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job29bn.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job39vm.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job40cx.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job59fa.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job60xb.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job79wa.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Theres no proof to say that superman or wonderwoman is stronger than thor. We have yet to see thor struggle to lift anything, so why would you say that superman or wonderwoman is stronger than someone when there is nothing to compare.My judgement is that thor is stronger than both.
Why in your judgement (not opinion) should Thor be stronger than both?
Is it because he has greater strength feats? Thor has no strength feat that tops superman's and diana's best ones.
Is it because he is a god? If yes, then do you know what a god is?
It is a male being with supernatural powers that is worshipped by a people. By this definition both Superman and Wonder Woman can be gods (provided they are worshipped by a people). Also Loki and other asgardians are also gods. Yet they are not even class 100 in strength.
So Thor being stronger because he is a god is faulty.
These characters don't exist. So they don't have any strength whatsoever. Also many of the writers haven't even put a cap on the strength of some characters they write about (not even in their own mind). Even the current writers opinion means nothing since he doesn't know how strong is the other from the opposite company to say that his character is stronger. Thus the only way to prove who is stronger is on panel feats. It is even fair to say that certain writers of both Thor and Superman agreed that Superman is stronger (This is not canon though but is useful only if want to go on the opinions of the writers).
Originally posted by h1a8
Why in your judgement (not opinion) should Thor be stronger than both?
Is it because he has greater strength feats? Thor has no strength feat that tops superman's and diana's best ones.Is it because he is a god? If yes, then do you know what a god is?
It is a male being with supernatural powers that is worshipped by a people. By this definition both Superman and Wonder Woman can be gods (provided they are worshipped by a people). Also Loki and other asgardians are also gods. Yet they are not even class 100 in strength.
So Thor being stronger because he is a god is faulty.These characters don't exist. So they don't have any strength whatsoever. Also many of the writers haven't even put a cap on the strength of some characters they write about (not even in their own mind). Even the current writers opinion means nothing since he doesn't know how strong is the other from the opposite company to say that his character is stronger. Thus the only way to prove who is stronger is on panel feats. It is even fair to say that certain writers of both Thor and Superman agreed that Superman is stronger (This is not canon though but is useful only if want to go on the opinions of the writers).
his judgment is his opinion. he's entitled to it
i dont see him saying that thor is stronger coz his a god. its just your specualtion.
dear lord, where'd you get that deffinition? a god, in most religions is a being/diety who is belived to be the creator of all things. the supreme being. this is true in todays three primary religion. christianity, islam and budism. to them, god, buda, alah, is the creator of all things. there are religions however with multiple gods such as the greek gods and the roman gods. examples are ares, god of war. afrodiety, god of beauty.
they do exist, not as real people such as us but as fictional characters in comics. if they didnt exist, then there would be no comics now would there.
as for the strength business, there is no indication that superman is stronger than thor. maybe more durable, but stronger? was it stated that superman was physically stronger? it seems to me that they were pretty equally matched in the strength department. it just so happend that superman was more durable than thor by a bit. and thor was fighting like a morron again. just using his hammer like a regular blunt weapon.
and since you brought this crossover up, thor and superman were matched up coz the writers saw them as equals while wonderwoman was matched up with hercules, the lesser of the two marvel powerhouses.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well prove your point D-Block, Wonder Woman and Thor took a punch from Superman, and both were knocked out, the only difference here is that Superman normally holds back, and against Wonder Woman he did not. His mind was infected by Max Lord. Max Lord convinced Superman that Wonder Woman was Doomsday, and that Doomsday had killed Lois, in so believing that the love of his life was dead his inhibitions were removed, he then proceeded to drag Diana into space, and punched her back to earth... this is where it gets interesting she blacked out before reaching orbit, but the heat of re-enty began to waken her, she attempted to stop her free fall, but could not stop in time for her to avoid impacting the earth. She was moving faster than terminal velocity... far faster, because it was Superman that swatted her back there. She hit with the force of a comet, but got back to her feet in moments, Thor would not be able to do this. How can I say this??? Well in the Avengers/JLA cross-over Superman was not fighting to kill Thor, and yet he still managed to knock him out, and for a much longer duration. With Wonder Woman he didn't even get a ten count out of her. She would most likely beat Thor, she is far more durable, as my argument indicates. I really hated admitting that Wonder Woman could take him because I like Thor more, but come on now... she can take better than he can give, but he can not take what she gives.
and your point is wonderwoman is stronger coz she got up faster? i didnt know you could gauge strength by durability now a days.
and what gave you the impression that superman was hodling back against thor? if i remember correctly, he was very pissed at marvel's heros.
and the issue your talking about? i'd call all of that as PIS/CIS. why? lets see
superman has super hearing - yup
superman is faster than wonderwoman - yup
superman not hearing wonderwoman creep up from behind - PIS, come on, he could hear a whisper a mile away and he couldnt hear wonderwoman? thats PIS if i ever saw one.
superman would have heard her a mile a way and he could have dodged her attack. probably forgat he was actually trying to listen with his hearing and used his vision instead. like i said, PIS
that is a very clear example of making superman stupid while boosting wonder woman.
In boxing, if two fighters are knocked down at the same moment it would be the figher that rose first that would be the victor. Wonder Woman took Supermans best punch while he was under the influence of Max Lord... Superman has fought Doomsday, so he knows not to hold his punches back, with Thor he did. Superman has stated many times in the comics that he has to hold his strength back because he is afraid to kill the other person or creature. When he fought Thor he was not in the same mind frame as he was when he fought Wonder Woman, so logic dictates that he hit her harder than he did Thor. Thor has never put Hercules down the way Diana did, she actually looked like she was playing with him, while Thor has to go all out, and only stalemates Hercules. Does anyone have any scans that can prove that Thor has beaten Hercules decisively?
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
his judgment is his opinion. he's entitled to iti dont see him saying that thor is stronger coz his a god. its just your specualtion.
dear lord, where'd you get that deffinition? a god, in most religions is a being/diety who is belived to be the creator of all things. the supreme being. this is true in todays three primary religion. christianity, islam and budism. to them, god, buda, alah, is the creator of all things. there are religions however with multiple gods such as the greek gods and the roman gods. examples are ares, god of war. afrodiety, god of beauty.
they do exist, not as real people such as us but as fictional characters in comics. if they didnt exist, then there would be no comics now would there.
as for the strength business, there is no indication that superman is stronger than thor. maybe more durable, but stronger? was it stated that superman was physically stronger? it seems to me that they were pretty equally matched in the strength department. it just so happend that superman was more durable than thor by a bit. and thor was fighting like a morron again. just using his hammer like a regular blunt weapon.
and since you brought this crossover up, thor and superman were matched up coz the writers saw them as equals while wonderwoman was matched up with hercules, the lesser of the two marvel powerhouses.
There actually is an indication that Superman is stronger.
He caught Mjolnir with one hand. Thor looked like he was
swinging pretty hard, and Supes caught it.... He caught
a plot device. What more proof do you need?
I could give you moon moving feats, or when he splits
moons in half or knocks them out of orbit with his
punches without realizing it. Just visit the Respect
Thread.
Originally posted by Sirius77
There actually is an indication that Superman is stronger.
He caught Mjolnir with one hand. Thor looked like he was
swinging pretty hard, and Supes caught it.... He caught
a plot device. What more proof do you need?I could give you moon moving feats, or when he splits
moons in half or knocks them out of orbit with his
punches without realizing it. Just visit the Respect
Thread.
and thor caught the hammer in mid flight with ease when it was hurrled at him by eric at full force. as encripted in the hammer, he who is worth can wield it. and at that point, superman was which is why he caught it.
moving the moon inst much of a strength feet. in space the moon weights less then it actually is as the pull of the earth's geravity is already very minimal. just enough to keep it in ordbit. and superman pushing it aint strengh, its more of a testiment to his flying powers.
any pushing and pulling while in flight is more of a flight/ flying feet than strength.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and thor caught the hammer in mid flight with ease when it was hurrled at him by eric at full force. as encripted in the hammer, he who is worth can wield it. and at that point, superman was which is why he caught it.moving the moon inst much of a strength feet. in space the moon weights less then it actually is as the pull of the earth's geravity is already very minimal. just enough to keep it in ordbit. and superman pushing it aint strengh, its more of a testiment to his flying powers.
any pushing and pulling while in flight is more of a flight/ flying feet than strength.
No. His muscles would crush under the weight and strain if he didn't have the strength to also handle the feat.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. His muscles would crush under the weight and strain if he didn't have the strength to also handle the feat.
superman has his tactile whatever. again, not really a streangth feat. just sayin that when it comes to lifting feats, its hard to tell when superman is just using his shear strength or when his ttk is also in play.
wonderwoman lifting feats is pure strengh as she has no ttk. thor lifting feats are also pure strength (if does have any lifting feats, only thing that comes to mind is the midgar serpent fishing thing). superman on the other hand has ttk and strength. if you can guage how much is pure sterngth and how much is ttk then great.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicI like how in the scan links, it says "job".
D-Block here's a few links to show you the fight that i was talking about.http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job17mx.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job29bn.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job39vm.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job40cx.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job59fa.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job60xb.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=job79wa.jpg
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
his judgment is his opinion. he's entitled to iti dont see him saying that thor is stronger coz his a god. its just your specualtion.
dear lord, where'd you get that deffinition? a god, in most religions is a being/diety who is belived to be the creator of all things. the supreme being. this is true in todays three primary religion. christianity, islam and budism. to them, god, buda, alah, is the creator of all things. there are religions however with multiple gods such as the greek gods and the roman gods. examples are ares, god of war. afrodiety, god of beauty.
they do exist, not as real people such as us but as fictional characters in comics. if they didnt exist, then there would be no comics now would there.
as for the strength business, there is no indication that superman is stronger than thor. maybe more durable, but stronger? was it stated that superman was physically stronger? it seems to me that they were pretty equally matched in the strength department. it just so happend that superman was more durable than thor by a bit. and thor was fighting like a morron again. just using his hammer like a regular blunt weapon.
and since you brought this crossover up, thor and superman were matched up coz the writers saw them as equals while wonderwoman was matched up with hercules, the lesser of the two marvel powerhouses.
How can a question be speculation? Either he thinks Thor is stronger because he is a god or not. The rebuttal only goes for the yes and not the no.
And my friend, for nearly every word in the english language there are multiple definitions. A god (with lower case g) is not God (with uppercase G). The lowercase g god is defined in the way I explained earlier (look it up in a good dictionary like 'The American Heritage'😉.
Your nitpicking at my arguments. Of course these characters exist in comics and also in the writer's mind. But as long as they don't exist as real beings then they have no real strength whatsoever (just fictional strength). But since they don't have any real strength then the only way to say whose stronger is by feats (since their top strength is unknown). Otherwise who can say that any class 100 being is stronger than another? For example, how do we know that Thor is stronger than Wonderman or current Colossus when they are all class 100? How do we know that Sentry is stronger than current Colossus or Wonderman? Yet we know (by feats or showings).
So by a history of feats and showings we can know that Superman is much stronger than Thor. Otherwise who can say that X is stronger than Y if they're both class 100, didn't show any limits, or didn't armwrestle? Because winning a fight doesn't show it (since speed, skill, durability, and power set plays a part).
