Originally posted by KurashSuperman needed help to defeat imperiex who is around galactus level. Some say higher and some say lower but the general consensus is about the same. So if he did beat galactus in dc it wouldnt be on his own just like in the impereix affair.
you have no proof that superman would get help against galactus, but i have proof that he can beat whoever DC wants tothat is if galactus was a DC character
Originally posted by Kurashyes he would have help or a plot device.
imperiex was a one time event, galactus would be recurring, which means they would have many fightsso you cant honestly tell me he would have help each time, no proof
im sure galactus would be half dead as he were starving. and superman would have the sundip of all sundips. the would have to tilt the story so that superman could have a chance. and is it ur contention that if imperiex was still around menacing that superman would and should defeat him with no outside help or without a plot device.
if a character only makes one appearance and are as powerful as imperiex then usually the writers will do all they can to try to make the storyline memorable. Its more memorable to have superman need help to take down imperiex, otherwise it just would have been another superman story. Recurring characters like Galactus may only show up for an issue or so just for a brief battle, in which case I could easily see superman driving Galactus off on his own if it was a DC comic, because they wouldnt have to make a huge epic storyline each time the two fought.
i hope this makes sense
Originally posted by KurashI do see where you are coming from here. I know the first time anyone introduces a new villain he is very hard to stop as it makes for a better story. But with more appearances its just like oh him again kind of feeling. Still with galactus perforiming to his ability and superman performing to his outside plot device he has no chance and gets crushed here.
if a character only makes one appearance and are as powerful as imperiex then usually the writers will do all they can to try to make the storyline memorable. Its more memorable to have superman need help to take down imperiex, otherwise it just would have been another superman story. Recurring characters like Galactus may only show up for an issue or so just for a brief battle, in which case I could easily see superman driving Galactus off on his own if it was a DC comic, because they wouldnt have to make a huge epic storyline each time the two fought.i hope this makes sense
Originally posted by Sirius77
Do you know how many Marvel characters have
been based off of Superman?Let mew show you SOME of them:
Gladiator
Count Nefaria
Sentry
Wonderman
Virtue
Hyperion
etc...Now, imagine if MARVEL instead of DC would have come up
with Superman?Chances are he would be more powerful than he already is.
Chances are HE would have the power cosmic.Chances are, he would be the one to solo out-of-place abstracts.
I mean, hell, who would need star masters or Guardians of the Galaxy if Supes was Marvels Golden Boy. Marvel hypes up all of their favorite characters with some type of "omni-useful" power. i.e The Power Cosmic. What would they give Supes if he was their Golden Boy?
I don't even want to imagine.
yes, i'm aware of the numerous superman clones in dc and no, these are all just your specualtions and oppionions.
marvel has their own big guns and they dont make them ala superman. look at silver surfer, he's as uber as they get but he usually gets his ass handed to him by thanos. look at the x-men, their a hell of a mutant team, but thats all they are. they dont go against super uber villains like thanos. they dont have their heros go up agains super duber uber villains who obviously they cant beat. and if they do (ie onslaught) they get their asses kicked.
with that, if supes were in marvel, he'd be just that. superman. a super uber hero who'd get his ass kicked by galactus, thanos, onslaught, dp, etc etc etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do see where you are coming from here. I know the first time anyone introduces a new villain he is very hard to stop as it makes for a better story. But with more appearances its just like oh him again kind of feeling. Still with galactus perforiming to his ability and superman performing to his outside plot device he has no chance and gets crushed here.
i agree that galactus is way beyond superman, im just saying in a DC comic they will do anything they want with superman, regardless of who he is fighting and how powerful they are, and especially if galactus was a DC character they would not be afraid to have him lose
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do see where you are coming from here. I know the first time anyone introduces a new villain he is very hard to stop as it makes for a better story. But with more appearances its just like oh him again kind of feeling. Still with galactus perforiming to his ability and superman performing to his outside plot device he has no chance and gets crushed here.
yes, supes would get crushed...if he were in marvel...but if galactus was in dc? holy crap! he'd get his ass kicked by superman
dc just loves superman and they'd amp him so much so that he could kick galactus' but hard (hmmm...superman 1 milliona and superman prime comes to mind... 😛 )
dont misconstrue what im saying
i dont think DC would have superman win each time they fought and im sure occasionally they would give him help
hell even superman has been beaten before
im just sayin in a DC comic theyll will let him win whenever they wish, and if galactus was a character thats been in DC since like the 70's (or whenever he was made) more than likely him and supes would have had a one on one confrontation by now and superman would have probably won
Originally posted by Kurashwell didnt it take a while for dc to have superman defeat darkseif. if ds had galactus i still think superman would need one helluva plot device. even dc wouldnt have him beat galactus straight up.
dont misconstrue what im sayingi dont think DC would have superman win each time they fought and im sure occasionally they would give him help
hell even superman has been beaten before
im just sayin in a DC comic theyll will let him win whenever they wish, and if galactus was a character thats been in DC since like the 70's (or whenever he was made) more than likely him and supes would have had a one on one confrontation by now and superman would have probably won
Originally posted by Galan007
I never said Superman wouldn't have help to beat Galactus, just that he would defeat G in some way/shape/form, in a DC comic... In a forum battle? Hell no.Imperiex was just one of many examples of Superman taking on a being whom for all intents and purposes, could one-shot him.... But didn't.
Why?
Because it was a DC comic. 🙂
Another member with a superiority complex, ey?
Imperiex would've left Superman as ash, but the plot saved him.
And the way you worded it, "Superman would somehow defeat Galactus", implied that he'd do so on his own.
Kinda like someone saying Reed has ownership papers on Galactus....
Correction, the Fantastic Four have ownership papers on Galactus.
And to whoever said Imperiex> Galactus.......perhaps.
But Galactus's highest feat is = > to Imperiex's highest feat.
Plus Galactus has a better design.
Originally posted by Kurash
i agree that galactus is way beyond superman, im just saying in a DC comic they will do anything they want with superman, regardless of who he is fighting and how powerful they are, and especially if galactus was a DC character they would not be afraid to have him lose
But if he was a character that they had any care for, they wouldn't have Superman scare him off with hv or icebreath.
It would undercut the power and majesty of Galactus to have him treated so.....unless he were weak unto death, and still it'd be bitter for any steadfast fans to swallow.
As long as Superman lacks an attack that's on the level of a godblast or OE(past showings), it'd only hurt the longevity of the character.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Which is of course, your opinion.
yes, it is. we're all entitled to our own oppinions.
but if its any indication, in the crossover marvel vs dc: superman/galactus thing, they made superman galactus' herarld. i'm right as they made superman way below galactus and your also right as they made him herarld with the power cosmic.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoyes indeed. remember the hunger. galactus was >>all new gods. they hid friggin new genesis from a starving galactus.
yes, it is. we're all entitled to our own oppinions.but if its any indication, in the crossover marvel vs dc: superman/galactus thing, they made superman galactus' herarld. i'm right as they made superman way below galactus and your also right as they made him herarld with the power cosmic.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
yes, it is. we're all entitled to our own oppinions.but if its any indication, in the crossover marvel vs dc: superman/galactus thing, they made superman galactus' herarld. i'm right as they made superman way below galactus and your also right as they made him herarld with the power cosmic.
To me, that was jobbing. Superman with the power
cosmic would pwn nigh-cosmics. He's already above
herald level without the power casmic, what would he
ACTUALLY be with it?
Imagine Superman being able to absorb entire suns
instead of just their residual energy...
Superman-Prime stayed in the sun for a million years,
and he is capable of creating planets from scratch, and
his descendants (which are far below him) are capable of
pushing galaxies (Superman one million).
What do you think would happen if he had the power to
absorb ALL the energy of the sun?
He would be cosmic level.