Originally posted by Avlon
His hammer is, but we've already seen Superman takes blasts from it and catch it with one hand.Prove your case on this.
Cathcing the hammer with his hand was piss poor writing and you know it.
I have seen issues with captian marvel blocking magical attacks on supes knowing supes would habe been injured, surely thors hammer would have at least injured him.
supes beating thor or thor beating supes i have no problem with either.
But supes catching thors hammer.
Rediculous.
Ahhh...not that I think crossovers should count but, the first time Superman was hit by Mjolnir he was sent flying into a building while bleeding, the second time he was sent flying through trees and was on his back for several panels.
BTW, his catch happened after Thor waded through a rather large HV blast so neither of them was very fresh.
Originally posted by zeel
Cathcing the hammer with his hand was piss poor writing and you know it.
This from a guy who goes into Superman's respect thread to complain.
Originally posted by zeel
I have seen issues with captian marvel blocking magical attacks on supes knowing supes would habe been injured, surely thors hammer would have at least injured him.
Well, he did get Supes to bleed from the mouth with his sucker punch still hammer toss. I've seen things like Thor having trouble holding up a building or being ko'd by a shotgun shell in the past.
Originally posted by zeel
supes beating thor or thor beating supes i have no problem with either.
This seems to contradict former statements from you.
Originally posted by zeel
But supes catching thors hammer.Rediculous.
Almost as ridiculous as Superman not using Superspeed, full strength, or his pletora of other abilities.
The fight sucked...but they were trying to fit in as much as they could into the book.
Originally posted by Avlon
Well, he did get Supes to bleed from the mouth with his sucker punch still hammer toss.
Thor was swinging around a glowing hammer and yelling at them while the sky was darkening and lightning flashed overhead, how exactly was that a sucker shot?
I've seen things like Thor having trouble holding up a building or being ko'd by a shotgun shell in the past.
I've seen things like Superman having trouble with the Daily Planet globe and get hurt by things like an exploding gas station and electric cables.
BTW, it's wasn't a shotgun shell, it was a sniper bullet that the writer later confirmed wasn't supposed to be fired from a BAKG(big ass Kirby gun), I believe the writer also admitted to not knowing anything about Thor.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor was swinging around a glowing hammer and yelling at them while the sky was darkening and lightning flashed overhead, how exactly was that a sucker shot?
Perhaps because he wasn't dealing with Thor at the time?
Not that it matters..he was up a moment later with no damage.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I've seen things like Superman having trouble with the Daily Planet globe and get hurt by things like an exploding gas station and electric cables.
Still isn't as bad as a brick wall and a bullet.
Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, it's wasn't a shotgun shell, it was a sniper bullet that the writer later confirmed wasn't supposed to be fired from a BAKG(big ass Kirby gun), I believe the writer also admitted to not knowing anything about Thor.
It still happened and it's canon. Both characters have their high's and lows. I just don't see as Thor having much better resistance to magic than Supes.
Originally posted by Avlon
Perhaps because he wasn't dealing with Thor at the time?
Not that it matters..he was up a moment later with no damage.
The were confronting the Avenergs at the time and no, Superman wasn't up in a moment without damage
It still happened and it's canon. Both characters have their high's and lows. I just don't see as Thor having much better resistance to magic than Supes.
Again, Loki needed Surtur's sword as a power source in order to effect Thor.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The were confronting the Avenergs at the time and no, Superman wasn't up in a moment without damage
Funny..it says a moment here twice...and Superman is just fine...
Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, Loki needed Surtur's sword as a power source in order to effect Thor.
I'm speaking of Sersi...and she didn't need Surtur's sword...
Originally posted by Avlon
Funny..it says a moment here twice...and Superman is just fine...
That was issue two and they obviously have interesting definition of a moment seeing as he was out for the entire last page of issue#1, a page that had multiple panels, in fact Superman wasn't even up by the time the fight started.
I'm speaking of Sersi...and she didn't need Surtur's sword...
Sersi is an Eternal, she doesn't use magic, she manipulates cosmic energy
Um...Loki's a God with a mastery of magic that exceeds Dr. Strange's. Loki manipulates dimensions. Superman couldn't do squat with the magical being Lkz from the 5th dimension, for example. He can manipulate matter magically. He can turn clouds into dragons. He can create a magical force field strong enough to withstand Mjolnir.
How did this get to 3 pages?
Originally posted by Silent Master
That was issue two and they obviously have interesting definition of a moment seeing as he was out for the entire last page of issue#1, a page that had multiple panels, in fact Superman wasn't even up by the time the fight started.
LOL. They just showed a few different scenes. The time frame AS PER IN THE COMIC ITSELF says a MOMENT.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sersi is an Eternal, she doesn't use magic, she manipulates cosmic energy
I've heard both, though the Marvel database does say cosmic energy..I'm not sure if that is better for Thors case though.
Originally posted by Avlon
LOL. They just showed a few different scenes. The time frame AS PER IN THE COMIC ITSELF says a MOMENT.
Actually seeing as a moment isn't a specific measure of time, I withdraw my objection that he wasn't up in a moment, I"ll just point out that he wasn't up for at least an entire page and that the fight started while he was still down.
I've heard both, though the Marvel database does say cosmic energy..I'm not sure if that is better for Thors case though. [/B]
She is the best at matter transmutation of her entire race.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually seeing as a moment isn't a specific measure of time, I withdraw my objection that he wasn't up in a moment, I"ll just point out that he wasn't up for at least an entire page and that the fight started while he was still down.
That's fine, a moment is a very short period of time. The comic stated it twice, and it is just a small example of Superman's resistance to magic. My original point still stands, neither Supes nor Thor are immune to it, but I would put them at similar levels of immunity to it. Both have resisted skyfather level magic when needed.
The whole incident with Disciple is a great showing for Superman vs magic vs his peers. That plus Supes resistance has been getting better...he's understanding magic a lot more than he used to. He still dislikes dealing with it though.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, IIRC Kurt was asked about that on the DC board, he said that he didn't take magic into consideration when he wrote that scene.
However even if he did take magic into account, the hit did take Superman out of the fight for a bit, plus the hit did cause him to bleed.
BTW, after he does get back up, he and MM both hit Thor who responds with a lightning strike that we see knock MM into a building, however Superman isn't seen again until the fight is over, so what exactly was he doing while Thor moved on to fighting Wonder Woman?
Originally posted by Silent Master
However even if he did take magic into account, the hit did take Superman out of the fight for a bit, plus the hit did cause him to bleed.BTW, after he does get back up, he and MM both hit Thor who responds with a lightning strike that we see knock MM into a building, however Superman isn't seen again until the fight is over, so what exactly was he doing while Thor moved on to fighting Wonder Woman?
It was still as blindside attack and it still took him a moment to recover. In a straight up battle (which did suck as far a battles go) Supes won.
Characters appeared and disappeared throughout that whole series. That I don't stress since they basically tried to cram everyone they could into the book.
