Originally posted by rotiart
Can blaze not be hurt physically or what? Most comics have him fighting demons and I know he confronted hulk buy they didn't fight. Has ghost rider fought a non demon of carols strngth before?
He did fight WWH Hulk.
All the Hulk's physical damage to GR just ended up making The Spirit Of Vengeance take control and fire-nuking the area.
He's also healed from having his head blown into dozens of pieces in a second.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
He did fight WWH Hulk.All the Hulk's physical damage to GR just ended up making The Spirit Of Vengeance take control and fire-nuking the area.
He's also healed from having his head blown into dozens of pieces in a second.
THIS.
I have an older GR comic where the Dan Ketch version of GR heals from being blasted into ash almost instantaneously.
current Blaze GR is a hell of a lot more powerful. (see: blaze GR completely owning blackout in a handful of panels, without breaking a sweat.)
VERRRRRRRRRRY few non magical beings can go head to head with GR without PIS. That hellfire isn't just physical damage, it attacks the soul also. Carol doesn't really have a defense against that and would likely be obliterated if GR was serious about taking her down.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Everything.
exactly. Read that comic. If it is only Blaze, than he only wields a fraction of the Ghost Riders power. While the real Ghost Riders power is basically limitless. This is all according to Doctor Strange in the Issue. Only reason the Spirit of Vengeance did not put WWh down is because he was not guilty. However, this could also depend on the writer.
But back to the main point at hand GH totally destroys Ms. Marvel. This is not even debatable.
Originally posted by Mindset
No, not at all.He's stronger when he let's Zarathos take control, but it is still GR(Johnny/Zarathos), it's pretty irrelevant to this thread who was in control.
As Silent Guardian said
exactly. Read that comic. If it is only Blaze, than he only wields a fraction of the Ghost Riders power. While the real Ghost Riders power is basically limitless. This is all according to Doctor Strange in the Issue.
Another one like this is Eddie Brock and Venom say he fights someone its either gonna be Eddie doing it or Eddie with Venom symbiote.........might be wrong on that one.
He still fought WWH.
Thats like saying in his arc now, he's in control so it's not Ghost Rider?
He's still Ghost Rider, but The Spirit wasn't in control.
Ghost Rider (the bonded entity of Blaze and SoV) still fought WWH.
The Eddy idea doesn't work the same way. A thing thats similar to this is Toxin, when he has the symbiote in use, but sometimes Pat is in command and sometimes the Toxin symbiote.
Originally posted by KazenjiWhat Silent said didn't change anything I said.
As Silent Guardian saidAnother one like this is Eddie Brock and Venom say he fights someone its either gonna be Eddie doing it or Eddie with Venom symbiote.........might be wrong on that one.
Eddie Brock w/o the symbiote is human, Johnny Blaze w/o Zarathos in control is still Ghost Rider, I don't see the similarity.
Originally posted by Mindset
What Silent said didn't change anything I said.Eddie Brock w/o the symbiote is human, Johnny Blaze w/o Zarathos in control is still Ghost Rider, I don't see the similarity.
true I guess he is still ghost rider. But I guess to get technically what we are arguing is this was not the full spirit of vengeance here, but just Blaze fighting. What I was trying to say that the Spirit of Vengeance trying/at his full power would/should have beaten WWH. And back to the thread, would definitely take Ms. Marvel. I think even Blaze wielding a fraction of GH power might win.
Bad allegory. GR is rarely a berserker. Righteous fury, sure. But he's not as dumb as Bannerless Hulk.
Given that he's gunning for Satan last I checked, GR has gotten quite the upgrade.
Besides, pummeling him has never done shit to him in the comics. You need magic or higher energy than what Carol packs to stop him.