Captain America versus Deathstroke (Unarmed combat)

Originally posted by Deadline
See the edit. You're not analysing the evidence objectively again you're just picking the ones you like.

If I was going to ignore circumstances like you are suggesting, I probably would have brought up Slade's lose to Arsenal back in the day, the time he got beat up by some drunken hillbillies, when he got beat by the Chain Gang, or the time he was beat down by the Joker's henchmen and tossed over a bridge. There are tons of suspect Slade examples that I didn't and don't mention in these threads, your objection is invalid.

The only time circumstances have lead to Batman beating Slade is when he triple teamed him in IC with Robin and Nightwing, which is why I didn't bring it up in my post. When they fought in detective comics, the fight ended with Slade's one good eye swollen over and him handcuffed on a roof. That is a win.

Most of Slade's wins over Nightwing are in the past, an era in Nightwing's history when he was losing to practically everyone and he literally couldn't even lay a finger on Bruce unless he was allowed. Anyway, Slade has the strength of 10-20 men, if he hits Dick once (particularly in his Nightwing costume, although Dick has more protection as Batman), he has pretty much insured his win... but Nightwing has shown that his superior skill, speed and agility will afford him the ability to dance around Slade or even blitz him if he is give the opportunity to do so.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If I was going to ignore circumstances like you are suggesting, I probably would have brought up Slade's lose to Arsenal back in the day, the time he got beat up by some drunken hillbillies, when he got beat by the Chain Gang, or the time he was beat down by the Joker's henchmen and tossed over a bridge. There are tons of suspect Slade examples that I didn't and don't mention in these threads, your objection is invalid.

No srank just because you haven't used the worst examples possible doesn't mean you're not being biased.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

The only time circumstances have lead to Batman beating Slade is when he triple teamed him in IC with Robin and Nightwing, which is why I didn't bring it up in my post. When they fought in detective comics, the fight ended with Slade's one good eye swollen over and him handcuffed on a roof. That is a win.

If you're talking about the time DS was trying to shoot somebody else there was CIS involved and you didn't mention that DS beat him twice, and in one of those circumstances it was pretty easy for him.

I mean here it is, Batman had the advantage and had to resort to using DS's gun.

Deathstroke Vs, Batman

Whoops him and goes about his business, but Bruce doesn't give so easily.

Batman catches him off guard again, and wails on him. Too bad Slade is tough though, he gets up and takes Bats down in one blow, and goes about his business. Bruce doesn't give up so easily though.lol

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.lol
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-20.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-23.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-24.jpg
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Most of Slade's wins over Nightwing are in the past, an era in Nightwing's history when he was losing to practically everyone and he literally couldn't even lay a finger on Bruce unless he was allowed. Anyway, Slade has the strength of 10-20 men, if he hits Dick once (particularly in his Nightwing costume, although Dick has more protection as Batman), he has pretty much insured his win... but Nightwing has shown that his superior skill, speed and agility will afford him the ability to dance around Slade or even blitz him if he is give the opportunity to do so.

You would have to prove what you're saying about NW in the past.

Originally posted by Deadline
No srank just because you haven't used the worst examples possible doesn't mean you're not being biased.

If you're talking about the time DS was trying to shoot somebody else there was CIS involved and you didn't mention that DS beat him twice, and in one of those circumstances it was pretty easy for him.

I mean here it is, Batman had the advantage and had to resort to using DS's gun.

Deathstroke Vs, Batman

Whoops him and goes about his business, but Bruce doesn't give so easily.

Batman catches him off guard again, and wails on him. Too bad Slade is tough though, he gets up and takes Bats down in one blow, and goes about his business. Bruce doesn't give up so easily though.lol

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.lol
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-20.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-23.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-24.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-25.jpg

You would have to prove what you're saying about NW in the past.

He didn't beat Batman twice, he knocked him over twice and then ran away. The fight was never over in either examples, if Batman had ran away while Slade was on the ground going "quh - quh -quh," it would have been the same thing... only he didn't. Slade retreated while he had the opportunity so he could assassinate his target, he never "beat" Batman. Slade dropped Batman twice, Batman dropped Slade twice (not counting when he clocked him with the rifle)... only Batman hung around instead of running away.

That Nightwing couldn't touch Batman?

Originally posted by -Pr-

i never said it was a prep battle.

people said him beating Flash was PIS, when it wasn't. I was responding to other people.

Though it is not PIS, becuase Flash is a consistent jobber, to the point one really can not discredit people victories over him, they happen frequently. However if he fought to his abilities, DS would not have a pray of beating him, but Flash is just one of those characters, that constantly jobs. It almost absurd how many people hit him, in all honesty, for all these people including DS to even touch him, should take flash far more effort, because he have to force himself to move at speeds within there range of there mobility, and yet writers seem unable to grasp that.

anyone ever get the impression that if Capt was DC character he would destroy batman?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Though it is not PIS, becuase Flash is a consistent jobber, to the point one really can not discredit people victories over him, they happen frequently. However if he fought to his abilities, DS would not have a pray of beating him, but Flash is just one of those characters, that constantly jobs. It almost absurd how many people hit him, in all honesty, for all these people including DS to even touch him, should take flash far more effort, because he have to force himself to move at speeds within there range of there mobility, and yet writers seem unable to grasp that.

neither CIS nor PIS can even explain it

to flash, slade should literally be a statue...even jobbing, he shouldn't have trouble

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
anyone ever get the impression that if Capt was DC character he would destroy batman?

they would likely be close equals...with Capt being physically superior while Bats being smarter.

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol yeah, if you actually understood flash's abilities...its ridiculous

neither CIS nor PIS can even explain it

to flash, slade should literally be a statue...even jobbing, he shouldn't have trouble

Originally posted by Starscream M
no, not at all.

they would likely be close equals...with Capt being physically superior while Bats being smarter.

Smarter would not mean squat. Capt aint the rhino, he not going to fall for a stupid trick. The reason I stated that was look at how well slade does against batman simply due to being physically superior, now imagin is slade was stronger, massive superhuman stamina and had skills the rivaled if not surpassed batmans own......he stomp him. The fact slade does not is because he simply not as skill. Hell DC in a cross over with marvel, would never let Batman get punked, but the fact on two separate occasion they had batman acknowledge capt was either better or would/could beat him speaks volumes. If he was DC character, I bet money he put a seruous beating on batman, but becuase he a marvel character, DC would never allow it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I disagree.

Smarter would not mean squat. Capt aint the rhino, he not going to fall for a stupid trick. The reason I stated that was look at how well slade does against batman simply due to being physically superior, now imagin is slade was stronger, massive superhuman stamina and had skills the rivaled if not surpassed batmans own......he stomp him. The fact slade does not is because he simply not as skill. Hell DC in a cross over with marvel, would never let Batman get punked, but the fact on two separate occasion they had batman acknowledge capt was either better or would/could beat him speaks volumes. If he was DC character, I bet money he put a seruous beating on batman, but becuase he a marvel character, DC would never allow it.

batman is physically like DD, but more skilled. and I doubt capt would stomp DD.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't beat Batman twice, he knocked him over twice and then ran away. The fight was never over in either examples,

Good Lord man look at this scan again. DS is standing over Batman who is flat on the ground. DS is talking to Batman who cleary wasn't able to get up. He won the fight.

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-05.jpg

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

if Batman had ran away while Slade was on the ground going "quh - quh -quh," it would have been the same thing... only he didn't. Slade retreated while he had the opportunity so he could assassinate his target, he never "beat" Batman. Slade dropped Batman twice, Batman dropped Slade twice (not counting when he clocked him with the rifle)... only Batman hung around instead of running away.

No srank running away doesn't mean you didn't win the fight. One person being on the floor and the other person standing means you won the fight. Look at the second scan again Batman was struggling to get up, if he wasn't he obvoulsy could have caught up with him. He ran away because he needed to kill the target not because he couldn't win.

WOW.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

That Nightwing couldn't touch Batman?

Azreal has been owned by Batman he's still formidable.

Originally posted by Starscream M
capt is not that much physically superior to batman...and capt is prob equal to slade

batman is physically like DD, but more skilled. and I doubt capt would stomp DD.

I would say Batman strong, but DD more agile, and faster reaction time. Batman beign more skilled is pretty debatable. Capt has done number on DD before, and I think DD even mentioned that he not in capt league or something, though to be fair he did KO capt once. Also DD has advantages and abilities Batman does not posses. DD radar senses and superhuman senses give him large advantage over batman in terms of both agility and reaction time. So i not sure DD the best comparison.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He has physically superior as slade, which is my point. If slade can give batman that much problems, what do you think a stronger, better stamina and much better fighter is gunna do?

I would say Batman strong, but DD more agile, and faster reaction time. Batman beign more skilled is pretty debatable. Capt has done number on DD before, and I think DD even mentioned that he not in capt league or something, though to be fair he did KO capt once. Also DD has advantages and abilities Batman does not posses. DD radar senses and superhuman senses give him large advantage over batman in terms of both speed and reaction time. So i not sure DD the best comparison.

Batman is more experienced, and smarter

Batman has various tools and gadgets at his disposal as well

Originally posted by Deadline
Good Lord man look at this scan again. DS is standing over Batman who is flat on the ground. DS is talking to Batman who cleary wasn't able to get up. He won the fight.

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-05.jpg

No srank running away doesn't mean you didn't win the fight. One person being on the floor and the other person standing means you won the fight. Look at the second scan again Batman was struggling to get up, if he wasn't he obvoulsy could have caught up with him. He ran away because he needed to kill the target not because he couldn't win.

WOW.

Azreal has been owned by Batman he's still formidable.

You mean, just like this?

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-13.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-23.jpg

Slade was on the ground while Batman was talking and he wasn't finished either. Slade never beat Batman, he knocked him down and ran away... that isn't a win by any stretch of the imagination. Stop twisting the facts.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sure, DD has certain advantages over Batman but Batman also has certain advantages over DD

Batman is more experienced, and smarter

Batman has various tools and gadgets at his disposal as well

brain mean nothing unless your fighting an idiot, or you have prep. Him beign more experienced may be debatable, DD is around batman age and has been training since he was a kid. (though batman is older, his experience advantage is minute at best.)

This is true, I was speaking more h2h. Like in most of his fights with slade, it seems to be very h2h oriented. If Batman used his equipment, he give capt hell, but in h2h? I doubt it. Only reason capt has no dominate batman in a h2h fight, is becuase DC would never allow it. Though I bet you if capt was a DC character he would whoop batman in h2h, slade fights seem to support this. For batman can make up for his inferior physical stats, by being superior in skill, however he have no such advantage against capt.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sure, DD has certain advantages over Batman but Batman also has certain advantages over DD

Batman is more experienced, and smarter

Batman has various tools and gadgets at his disposal as well

Actually in his current origin, Daredevil and Batman should have an equal amount of experience assuming they are around the same age. Batman left Gotham when he was 13 and trained for twelve years (not all MA, he got his education during that time as well), and in his current origin Stick trained Matt when he was around the same age (around 10-13 I think).

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean, just like this?

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-13.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/Detective710-23.jpg

Slade was on the ground while Batman was talking and he wasn't finished either. Slade never beat Batman, he knocked him down and ran away... that isn't a win by any stretch of the imagination. Stop twisting the facts.

Ok I'll try one more time. Heres the scan I posted and see the difference?

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-05.jpg

It is more comparble to the second encounter but I won't get into that for now. By the way how many times has Wolverine beaten Captain America?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Though it is not PIS, becuase Flash is a consistent jobber, to the point one really can not discredit people victories over him, they happen frequently. However if he fought to his abilities, DS would not have a pray of beating him, but Flash is just one of those characters, that constantly jobs. It almost absurd how many people hit him, in all honesty, for all these people including DS to even touch him, should take flash far more effort, because he have to force himself to move at speeds within there range of there mobility, and yet writers seem unable to grasp that.

Flash didn't job. He was impulsive, but he didn't handicap himself or his powers; Slade was just ready for him.

Are people still lowballing Slade's speed? facepalm

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are people still lowballing Slade's speed? facepalm

I'm not but can you actually believe somebody is arguing this isn't a win for DS?

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Detective710-05.jpg

Batman is face down on the floor, DS is standing over him talking to him and DS didn't win that fight. Incredible.