Hillary Clinton: Every US Baby to Receive $5,000

Originally posted by Syren
Just sayin' ermm

There's no guarantee the money given freely would be used positively. Don't be blinded by patriotism, you know drug use is rife in every country. How many babies a year are born in American alone? Remind me.

I suspect the system would be implemented in a way in which you don't just get given a cheque; the funds would only be usable for certain purpoes.

The not-exactly-comparable UK system they mention is in the form of education vouchers, for example. It's bugger all use if you don't use it for education.

Originally posted by SelphieT
It may be copying, but its for the greater good.

Originally posted by KidRock
"but but but lets not look at this problem..lets instead try and divert attention over to the problems republicans cause, because that is a very valid argument!"

Keep your socialism bullshit out of this country.

lol chump change..just more money coming out of my pocket.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

The neglect to structures such as bridges and mines is not because there is a lack of funds, but due to neglect from state politicians.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
The neglect to structures such as bridges and mines is not because there is a lack of funds, but due to neglect from state politicians.

And I'm sure there's some neglect on the states' side too, but it's largely the federal government.

As if the problem with welfare and people having kids just to get more money wasn't bad enough, let's encourage people to have more kids they can't take care of...

I'm not sure if I'm being cynical or realistic... in either case this sounds like a bad idea that's just begging to be abused to me.

Originally posted by lord xyz

This is a problem? Yeah, helping people live better lives is so evil of those stupid Democrats.

Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives..

Originally posted by KidRock
Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives..

Sounds like a good idea to me ermm

Oh, sorry... was that sarcasm? goofy

Originally posted by lord xyz
This is a problem? Yeah, helping people live better lives is so evil of those stupid Democrats.

The system as it is now is flawed, trowing money at problems doesn't make them go away. Rather than just handing out money like this, how about using that money to make the lives of the people better in other ways?

Originally posted by KidRock
Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives..

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not evil, just naive.

The system as it is now is flawed, trowing money at problems doesn't make them go away. Rather than just handing out money like this, how about using that money to make the lives of the people better in other ways?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, that would be crazy. But helping them live is not. Letting them die like the Republicans do is.

Giving them 5,000$ of my money and letting them manipulate the system(which they will) and spend it on drugs will really help them survive.

Originally posted by Syren
Sounds like a good idea to me ermm

Oh, sorry... was that sarcasm? goofy

No, I love the thought of strangling the hard working American with taxes so that the poor can have their money.

I mean..why give someone an incentive to go get a job when they can just get money for free?

Originally posted by KidRock
Giving them 5,000$ of my money and letting them manipulate the system(which they will) and spend it on drugs will really help them survive.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, that would be crazy. But helping them live is not. Letting them die like the Republicans do is.

Yes, we should use that money to better their lives in other ways. Helping people is what makes a society stronger, healthier and better. Not keeping the money for yourself.

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time, give a man money for fish, he'll blow it on hookers and booze.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Bullshit.

Exploitation based off of human greed:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOSTER+CARE+CASH+COW+'PERVERSE+INCENTIVE+FACTOR'+REWARDS+COUNTY+FOR...-a0111040679
http://www.projo.com/news/content/temporary_ssn_09-09-07_316890I.26689c7.html
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/06/07/children-missing-from-foster-care/
http://www.nccpr.org/newissues/12.html

Originally posted by Creshosk
Money is a tool which is used to aquire the things we need. Simply handing them the money allows them to aquire the things they want rather than the things they need.

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time, give a man money for fish, he'll blow it on hookers and booze.

Based on what?

If they CAN do both, why do you assume it will go the way that favours you? Just curious.

-AC

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

AHH hhahahaha. I love the bold part especially. You make not only a good point with the national budget, you also have an awesome sig. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Based on what?

If they CAN do both, why do you assume it will go the way that favours you? Just curious.

-AC

Too many storys of abuses to various systems set up.

Give money for an event happening and people wil increase that event happening. People becoming foster parents just for the money, like the woman in florida who duct taped her foster kid to a high chair. Free money for the woman and don't need to worry about the kid.

People having more kids just for the larger welfare checks.

Social workers for DCFS deeming parents unfit because it puts more children into the foster care system, so they get more money... even if the kids weren't in danger.

If a system gives out money, and the system can be exploited, people will find a way to exploit that system.

Hmm... guess I'll have to raise my quota for baby killing... 💃

Hey! I was a baby once. I deserve my fair share. So where is my money bitchez?

Originally posted by KidRock
Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes.

Do you recall all the times you've criticized people for making the ridiculous "Bush is Hitler" comments? Why employ your own version of that lazy tactic?

As for the program, I think it's more effective to address why these kids can't afford college or descent homes, BEFORE you start paying for them. Make a dollar worth something again, and pay a living wage for the work people do.

But, I imagine many of the very same people who'd oppose this "baby bonds" idea, will also say that paying American employees a living wage will bankrupt small buisness; all the while ignoring the fact that the last 7 years have been a total disaster for small American buisness.

Originally posted by Devil King
Do you recall all the times you've criticized people for making the ridiculous "Bush is Hitler" comments? Why employ your own version of that lazy tactic?

As for the program, I think it's more effective to address why these kids can't afford college or descent homes, [b]BEFORE you start paying for them. Make a dollar worth something again, and pay a living wage for the work people do.

But, I imagine many of the very same people who'd oppose this "baby bonds" idea, will also say that paying American employees a living wage will bankrupt small buisness; all the while ignoring the fact that the last 7 years have been a total disaster for small American buisness. [/B]

considering its an 18 year government bond, its hardly "throwing money away"

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