Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hulk by potential
Probably SBP by feats
Actually, hulk has the best strength feat ever, when he resisted matter/anti-matter attraction, if you go by that line of physics. Hercules holding up the universe is pretty good too, afaik his trials are canon. Strength feats are different from power feats though. The latter are much rarer and should be used here, not the former.
Well, going by that, a lot of one-off feats are not going to count. If we judge lifting a building as a strength feat based on what it would take if juxtaposed onto our world, then resisting matter/anti-matter is absolutely off the charts. If they act the same way as normal electrons and positrons, that is 10e40 times the strength of gravity. I doubt we will ever see it repeated, due to the pure absurdity of the idea.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Well, going by that, a lot of one-off feats are not going to count. If we judge lifting a building as a strength feat based on what it would take if juxtaposed onto our world, then resisting matter/anti-matter is absolutely off the charts. If they act the same way as normal electrons and positrons, that is 10e40 times the strength of gravity. I doubt we will ever see it repeated, due to the pure absurdity of the idea.
False!
The attraction strength of matter and antimater is so small that even moderate strength magnetic fields can keep them apart (or from touching). The strength of the attraction is greater than gravity and weaker than the strong nuclear force that bounds an atom together. The strength level is in the electromagnetic force range. So that feat was shi$ty.
Originally posted by h1a8
False!The attraction strength of matter and antimater is so small that even moderate strength magnetic fields can keep them apart (or from touching). The strength of the attraction is greater than gravity and weaker than the strong nuclear force that bounds an atom together. The strength level is in the electromagnetic force range. So that feat was shi$ty.
You must know something CERN does not, because even today, there are differing views on whether or not matter/antimatter should even attract, antigravity, exotic matter etc. I could give links on how experiments are being done on antimatter/matter attraction, but I actually suscribe to a similar theory as you. I used that feat simply because it was flat-out stated in the comic to be impossible (by Reed iirc?). Not difficult or superhuman, impossible.
Antimatter is traditionally held in traps, and in minute quantities. Just a mg costs USD$300bil.
Originally posted by Ouallada
You must know something CERN does not, because even today, there are differing views on whether or not matter/antimatter should even attract, antigravity, exotic matter etc. I could give links on how experiments are being done on antimatter/matter attraction, but I actually suscribe to a similar theory as you. I used that feat simply because it was flat-out stated in the comic to be impossible (by Reed iirc?). Not difficult or superhuman, impossible.Antimatter is traditionally held in traps, and in minute quantities. Just a mg costs USD$300bil.
Maybe I do (or at least my physics professor does).
True, scientists only have minute quantities of it as it costs a lot.
But the theory is that the attraction is only electromagnetic which is far weaker than the strong nuclear force. If the attraction was strong as or stronger than the strong nuclear force then, even in minute quantities, scientists would have no way to keep matter from colliding with antimater when they are just from 0 to a few meters away. Scientists have experimentally collided small minute amounts with each other so I'm sure they could find or have found the actual strength of the attraction. Even in Star Trek the next Generation they use moderate magnetic fields to keep and control the large amounts of antimatter from the matter. This show isn't real but is based off current theories and hypothesis on science.
Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe I do (or at least my physics professor does).
True, scientists only have minute quantities of it as it costs a lot.
But the theory is that the attraction is only electromagnetic which is far weaker than the strong nuclear force. If the attraction was strong as or stronger than the strong nuclear force then, even in minute quantities, scientists would have no way to keep matter from colliding with antimater when they are just from 0 to a few meters away. Scientists have experimentally collided small minute amounts with each other so I'm sure they could find or have found the actual strength of the attraction. Even in Star Trek the next Generation they use moderate magnetic fields to keep and control the large amounts of antimatter from the matter. This show isn't real but is based off current theories and hypothesis on science.
No problem, but I am just pointing out that discussing a murky branch of quantum physics gets no one anywhere. With all respect to you and your physics prof, there are a lot of other scientists out there who still cannot come to a concensus, and hence I added a caveat in my original post.
I actually suscribe that the attraction is gravitational. And because it is gravitational, mass is taken into account, plus antimatter is contained not just using electric fields, but by a combination of EM stasis and various other safety measures.
The point is, it was a tremendous strength feat for the hulk not because of what the matter/antimatter attraction is in reality, but by what the writers believed it to be, which is narrated to us via Reed as unsurmountable by physical means.
I don't think theoretically that modern Hulk (from 90's on up) can hit the hardest. This is because he must get to a certain rage level to do this. But this is impossible because his anger can't exceed the level in which we have seen. He has already been inflicted with maximum pain possible (being melted and burned and such and hit to the point of KO) and he has been inflicted with the greatest emotional stress possible (death of his wife and unborn child). But the strengths he reached in those times still dwarfs the power of say Superman or even SBP.
Now as far as one being able to hit the hardest larger depends on the speed of their punch. This is because kinetic energy = 1/2mv^2 (the velocity is squared). Meaning that a 250lb person tackling you with a speed of 20miles per hour will do more damage and hurt more than a 300lb person with a speed of 17miles per hour (the latter has more momentum though because p= mv). So if SBP can shatter reality with pure power (no magic and such) then it stands to reason that he is one of the hardest hitters in comicdom under a skyfather. (if not the hardest hitter). He's probably swinging at a great multiple the speed of light.
HP DD can hit pretty hard too. As he punches so fast that not even Superman can respond.
First of all, WWH isn't even the strongest incarnation of Hulk. He is only Hulk, in a weakened state, who then absorbed the energy from the exploding warp engine...
That's it. That's all. He isn't even in a state of rage.
The story line ignored so much canon, it's ridiculous. But, I won't even get into it.
Anyway, even if we just pointed out how strong Hulk is, that doesn't mean that he is the hardest hitter.
There are plenty of professional "strong guys" out there, that may be waaay stronger than professional boxers, for instance. Yet, a boxer of equal weight to, say, a professional weight lifter, or strong man competitor, is going to punch much harder.
So, it comes down to printed feats of "STRIKING".
Lift this, contain that, yada, yada, yada.
Let's talk punches, kicks, destruction by "STRIKES".
For instance, in my opinion, 2 of the greatest "Hitting Feats", were
1. Validus punching Superboy out of the Solar System.
and
2. Juggernaught punching tears into Reality Itself.
But, would love to see what you guys come up with.
Also, just a tip. When in doubt, look to see what my opinion is, and agree with me.
Carry on...