Originally posted by Schecter*sigh* being captain obvious isn't a very well liked job but...
one cannot be declared 'pro-*blank*' as in condoning or being outwardly supportive of something simply because they enable it through lack of action.to be pro-something means to openly support, as in to be consciously in favor of or at least to willingly permit, which is to condone.
You do realize that you contradicted yourself right?
Originally posted by Creshosk
"Evil will always existSo its pointless to speakout against it."
That's not a quote from me. I said quote me, if you can't, retract your statement, because you are chasing down a point I never made nor one I believe. Admit wrong.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I did. I said based on the criteria you gave: Yes. My answer is yes. I'm pretty sure you had better reading comprehension skills than that.
You're still wrong, but there's plenty more post to prove that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
When I say yes. I mean yes. Yes means yes, as yes will always be yes, for when yes is not yes we refer to it as no. But the answer is yes."Condone" and "accept" if not "like"
Yes, we all know how bad your differentiating skills are, Cresh. No need to embarass yourself further.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you even know what that word means?Evidently you don't. because you are using it wrong. Did you mean another word that means something other thabn condone?
I know perfectly well what it means, YOU do not, hence why you think being apathetic is to condone something.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Since you misuse a word to reach your conclusion I'm afraid you'll have to either admit you were wrong (this has gone beond the initial point of HER reasoning into justifying her reasoning.) or restate your opinion in different words so that you were correct.
Here's how you are wrong, and prove that you cannot deal with context and differentiating;
con·done
To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.
Nobody here is treating anything bad or blameworthy as acceptable, forgiveable or harmless, including the DHS. I accept that child molestation will EXIST, not that the act in and of itself is an acceptable one. The same with the DHS.
Do you not grasp that?
Originally posted by Creshosk
As it stands now you are not correct.
I am correct, 100%.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That was one of the criteria you listed before. That means that you are pro-evil by your own reasoning.
No, you misinterpret the context of "acceptance". Accepting that something exists is one thing that I do, I do not accept it as good or passable. There's a difference.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't have to. As I said before, I don't like abortions, I accept them. and am pro-choice. I don't think anyone LIKES abortions. but that wouldn't change the stance of being for them, as opposed to having people suffer needlessly.
Then why are you even arguing? Accepting does not mean liking.
Originally posted by Creshosk
so speaking out against evil is still pointless?
Quote me or be quiet. I said the quote is pointless, the point of view of trying to end evil for good. Not fighting it when possible.
Originally posted by Creshosk
ANd what about NOT fighting it? Makeing excuses for it, what would that fall under?
It would depend on the event and the excuse. Nothing she's posted suggests anything the threat title claims.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Gee... you're contradicting yourself again... That or you like to practice insanity.
I'm not, you just lack the comprehension to separate meanings.
I am not for letting it happen if it can be stopped here and there, but the idea of trying to rid the world of evil totally and completely is an unrealistic and naive one. Do you need that in crayon?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, you use the word condone. Go look it up before using it again.
I did, and I proved you wrong. Accepting existence is not the same as condoning it. I accept that many evils exist, I am not condoning them, which would be making them out to be good.
Learn your definitions, boy.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'd like to know where you got the concept of me suggesting that... but then your reading comprehension is in question, and I'm not really interested in your bullshit.
I'd like to get where you're getting half the shit from my posts, but you won't cough up that info either (Cos it's not there).
Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't have to positively endorse something to be for it. I don't "positively endorce" abortions... does that mean that I'm NOT pro-choice?
Pro-abortion would be positively endorsing abortion, highlighting abortion as the superior option. Pro-choice is being for the choice to, or not to have, an abortion.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, Rehtorical question and socratic irony: do you even know what the word condone means?
Can't wait to see you weasel when you see how badly you've misunderstood the definition, it'll be funny. Pages of how you won't admit you're wrong, the Creshosk trademark.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're completely clueless as to what the word means.Go grab a dictionary, and come back with the word that you actually mean.
Ok, here:
con·done
To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.
Nobody, including the DHS, is treating child rape as acceptable. There's a clear line between saying "I accept child rape exists." and "Child rape is an acceptable act.".
Take your ball, go home.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's makeing an excuse, that is condoning it. Go look the word up.
I'm saying it'll ALWAYS happen so there is no sense in being of the stance "Let's try to rid the world of all evil.". Not "Let's try to stop it where we can.". Stop being an oblivious idiot.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Hypocrisy at its finest. You have no clue what condone means and you're telling me to learn my words?
Funny, I genuinely cannot wait to see how you squirm out of this. Here, again:
con·done
To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.
Nobody, including the DHS, is treating child rape as acceptable. There's a clear line between saying "I accept child rape exists." and "Child rape is an acceptable act.".
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yar. Cause of what the word condone means.
Your whole argument is based on an arrogant misunderstanding of a word's meaning, and you will never, despite all the proof, admit you are wrong. So we're clearly going to end with you ballet-ing around the admittance of failure.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Shifting the accent? "No true scotsman"Are you taking back condoning something being a requisite for being pro something?
I've nothing to take back, I'm right. Just gonna wait to see how you weasel.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The hypothetical is if her words are true. Since it was already given in the hypothetical that she's telling the truth you don't in the middle switch to say that they aren't... kinda defeats the purpose of said hypothetical.
They still don't necessarily count as pro-child rape.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yours is based on your ignorance of what the word condone means.
And the dictionary.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You misuse the word again.You lack the brains.
con·done
To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.
Nobody, including the DHS, is treating child rape as acceptable. There's a clear line between saying "I accept child rape exists." and "Child rape is an acceptable act.".
Just for laughs.
Originally posted by Creshosk
😂 You are a truly pathetic piece of work. Is that the best you have? Calling me a reactionary flip-flopper, based solely on your ignorance and misuing of words?
I was gonna post it again, but I've shamed you enough.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, you misuse the word. and since the rest of your argument is based on misinformation, the rest of it is likewise invalid.
Hahaha, can't wait. For old time's sake;
con·done
To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.
Nobody, including the DHS, is treating child rape as acceptable. There's a clear line between saying "I accept child rape exists." and "Child rape is an acceptable act.".
^^^ Key part.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Of course not. 🙄 Cause hey, we can't even do an investigation based off of a claim unless they are actually guilty.
Calm down, you almost kneed me in the face with all that jerking.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But since they're innocent until proven guilty, there's no need for an investigation.[/sarcasm]Quit being stupid.
okay, then you're pure concentrated evil. Happy?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Condone
Look at the definition, then the examples: "Condoning corruption in politics.", "Condoning racism.". It means to say something is an acceptable act, not accept that it exists.
My reply is done. Let weaselling begin.
-AC
Originally posted by SchecterI apologize for the tone. I'm just affraid that you won't like me pointing out the obvious...
you could at least do me the pleasure of pointing out how. btw, i havent taken a condescending tone with you, so maybe you should try the same.
Originally posted by Schecter
one cannot be declared 'pro-*blank*' as in condoning [...] simply because they enable it through lack of action.to be pro-something means [...] at least to willingly permit, which is to condone.
Originally posted by ZebedeeCresh and Osk are C and O in the Aurabesh. So my name presently is literally "C.O."
Perhaps you should change your name to Captain Obvious Cresh, I didn't notice it till you pointed it out.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Airconditioner's usual blowhard egotism removed to save space.*
http://onelook.com/?w=condone&ls=a
Have a nice day. Its pointless to argue with you. I'll pay you the lip service though:
"you're right, you will always be right, and even facts and logic are wrong before you."
Is that how I turn the airconditioner off? Cause I'm tired of the hot air it's blowing.. again.
Originally posted by Zebedee
What's Aurabesh? I mean where is it a language and i laugh now I realise you are C.O. 😱
Yeah, full name is "Creshosk Pethyirt Creashaurek Trill"
But Creshosk is shorter and it illustrates the captain obvious point rather well.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I apologize for the tone. I'm just affraid that you won't like me pointing out the obvious...
im afraid i still dont see the contradiction. in both statements i believe i parallel condoning and supporting.
my point was that lack of action or even down right idiocy in not addressing the problem is not necessarily the act of condoning. perhaps i should have worded it better, but still i see no contradiction.
anyway, yeah. agree, disagree?
Originally posted by Creshosk
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Aurek-besh_alphabet.pngYeah, full name is "Creshosk Pethyirt Creashaurek Trill"
But Creshosk is shorter and it illustrates the captain obvious point rather well.
So what's aurabesh without going to far off topic Cresh?
Originally posted by Creshosk
http://onelook.com/?w=condone&ls=aHave a nice day. Its pointless to argue with you. I'll pay you the lip service though:
"you're right, you will always be right, and even facts and logic are wrong before you."Is that how I turn the airconditioner off? Cause I'm tired of the hot air it's blowing.. again.
All of those definitions agree with me, good job. The third one down is the place I got the definition from that I used against you, hence why you're not replying.
Would have been more honourable to admit you were wrong, by fact, by dictionary, but you weasel.
You are wrong by the very area you used to try to disprove me, just have a bit of dignity at least admit it. Don't say "You're right." as if you're doing me a favour. I am, the dictionary proves me right, proves YOU wrong, and you are a misintepretive fool.
Also, you typically turn on the AC when you want to cool down, so it's a bit of an irrelevant diss.
-AC
Originally posted by SchecterWell, I can agree to disgree with you.
im afraid i still dont see the contradiction. in both statements i believe i parallel condoning and supporting.my point was that lack of action or even down right idiocy in not addressing the problem is not necessarily the act of condoning. perhaps i should have worded it better, but still i see no contradiction.
anyway, yeah. agree, disagree?
For me, knowing about something and then not enacting against it when in a position of authority to do so, is condoning it. And as I've said
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=condone&r=66
That's how I define condoning something. Disregarding something, or overlooking it, making an excuse for it or being lenient with it is condoning it.
http://onelook.com/?w=condone&ls=a
As I said, I can agree to disagree with you. and again I apologize for any offense I might have done in tone or action toward you.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYes of course AC, whatever you say. you can misinterpret things to suit your favor now as you have ever done, and even know as others do so in their fanboyish ways in the comics section.
All of those definitions agree with me, good job. The third one down is the place I got the definition from that I used against you, hence why you're not replying.Would have been more honourable to admit you were wrong, by fact, by dictionary, but you weasel.
You are wrong by the very area you used to try to disprove me, just have a bit of dignity at least admit it. Don't say "You're right." as if you're doing me a favour. I am, the dictionary proves me right, proves YOU wrong, and you are a misintepretive fool.
Also, you typically turn on the AC when you want to cool down, so it's a bit of an irrelevant diss.
-AC
It's pointless to argue with you.
As obviously "excuse, overlook, or make allowances for; be lenient with " and
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=condone&r=66
Agrees with you and overlooking something is not condoning.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=air+conditioner
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes of course AC, whatever you say. you can misinterpret things to suit your favor now as you have ever done, and even know as others do so in their fanboyish ways in the comics section.It's pointless to argue with you.
As obviously "excuse, overlook, or make allowances for; be lenient with " and
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=condone&r=66
Agrees with you and overlooking something is not condoning.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=air+conditioner
First one:
1. to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
This doesn't contradict what I say. I am not disregarding or overlooking child rape, it needs to be dealt with when it can. Accepting it happens and saying it is an ACCEPTABLE ACT are two different things, do you or do you NOT see that?
2. to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.
SEEMED TO. Doesn't mean "he" does. I am silent over murder in my actions, I do not go out trying to stop it, so to you; a presumptuous fool, it seems like I view it as acceptable acts, I do not. Flawed perception.
3. to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.
Nobody is pardoning or forgiving child rape.
4. to cause the condonation of.
Nobody is.
5. Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).
Nobody is forgiving child rape.
Do you actually not understand the difference between saying "I accept child rape happens." and "Child rape is acceptable."? Or not?
This isn't a case of "AC has to be right.", so trying to play it off as such will make you look dumb. I'm clearly and fairly countering your misinterpretations.
-AC
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, I can agree to disgree with you.For me, knowing about something and then not enacting against it when in a position of authority to do so, is condoning it. And as I've said
hmmm, which would be to "willingly permit", as i have said. so we agree on the definition.
so, back to my point: in the case where a crime is not willingly permitted, but rather enabled through incompetance, this is not the act of condoning. to condone is to consciously, knowing, purposefully, and actively allow.
Originally posted by Creshosk
As I said, I can agree to disagree with you. and again I apologize for any offense I might have done in tone or action toward you.
well thats quite alright and i appreciate it. i was simply wanting to avoid further unpleasantries, so i assure you that no feelings were hurt and thus no worries.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriFeeling a touch matyrish?
First one:1. to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
This doesn't contradict what I say. I am not disregarding or overlooking child rape, it needs to be dealt with when it can. Accepting it happens and saying it is an ACCEPTABLE ACT are two different things, do you or do you NOT see that?
We weren't talking about you. We were talking abou the hypothetical of the original poster haveing told the truth.
The representitive(s) of DHS, after being told about molestation occuring overlooked the occurence by not initiating an investigation, and not putting a halt on the visitation of the offender.
Remember the hypothetical is that the OP is telling the truth, which includes the fact that the guy was molesting the girls.
So tell me, how is this knowledgeable inactivity not overlookiong something? Don't forget what we were orginally discussing.
DHS is allowing the molestation to continue through inaction.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNow you're going to quibble over the example THEY gave? And you say that I weasel out of stuff. 🙄
2. to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.SEEMED TO. Doesn't mean "he" does. I am silent over murder in my actions, I do not go out trying to stop it, so to you; a presumptuous fool, it seems like I view it as acceptable acts, I do not. Flawed perception.
Again, this isn't about you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauriforgot the topic in question and the hypothetical of the story being true?
3. to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.Nobody is pardoning or forgiving child rape.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWhatever you say AC... I know, lets attack examples that the dictionay gave, the dictionary must be wrong then, that way you can remain right. 🙄
4. to cause the condonation of.Nobody is.
5. Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).
Nobody is forgiving child rape.
Do you actually not understand the difference between saying "I accept child rape happens." and "Child rape is acceptable."? Or not?
This isn't a case of "AC has to be right.", so trying to play it off as such will make you look dumb. I'm clearly and fairly countering your misinterpretations.
-AC
Originally posted by Creshosk
Feeling a touch matyrish?We weren't talking about you. We were talking abou the hypothetical of the original poster haveing told the truth.
The representitive(s) of DHS, after being told about molestation occuring overlooked the occurence by not initiating an investigation, and not putting a halt on the visitation of the offender.
You have a half/half argument there, I'll agree. On one hand, perhaps he should have initiated an investigation, but you have to consider how he was presented with the case, etc. It may have seemed different to him.
Secondly, he cannot consider the man an offender without proof.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Remember the hypothetical is that the OP is telling the truth, which includes the fact that the guy was molesting the girls.So tell me, how is this knowledgeable inactivity not overlookiong something? Don't forget what we were orginally discussing.
It still does not necessarily mean he is pro-child rape, that is my point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
DHS is allowing the molestation to continue through inaction.
But that does not mean they do so for the reasons of "We like child molestation.", and molestation doesn't mean rape.
Furthermore, he may not be letting it continue in the knowledge that it's actually happening. Police have a lot more to consider, they cannot just act on "THIS HAPPENED!".
Originally posted by Creshosk
Now you're going to quibble over the example THEY gave? And you say that I weasel out of stuff. 🙄
A) You did weasel, and have still to admit you got the definition of the word wrong. As evidence by Schecter and I.
B) That's not definitive. I'm arguing about the definition. Seeming to condone something through inaction does not mean you are, there can be many other reasons FOR inaction.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, this isn't about you.
Good, but stop using the definition wrongly in application to me.
Originally posted by Creshosk
forgot the topic in question and the hypothetical of the story being true?Whatever you say AC... I know, lets attack examples that the dictionay gave, the dictionary must be wrong then, that way you can remain right. 🙄
My only argument was how YOU were telling ME I got the definition wrong with regards to my own personal stance and I did not, I factually proved this with examples. You made it about me, so I proved that accepting something EXISTS is not the same as calling it an acceptable act. You got everything confused and refuse to admit so.
That's my issue with you.
-AC
Re: DHS pro-child rapes?
Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
Recently my sister and her husband split up, My sister got the kids. Soon after my oldest niece and second oldest, 6 and 4, tells my Mother and there Mommy that daddy "touched " them. My sister was in Oklahoma at the time she found out so drove straight back to Texas to report it to the DHS and police. They found evidence to support the girls claim! BUT My brother in law still gets to take the girls on the weekend due to the DHS saying until the girls tell them in writing that he did touch them and where, They will not file charges on him. How can a child be safe from such acts when our law system wont do anything about it.
The DHS and the DPS have never been very reliable agencies. I've heard a lot of horror stories involving both. I myself, was once arrested by a DPS officer on bullshit charges.
