Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya batman gunna beat some one whophysically superior to him in every way
as skilled if not more so.
Knows more styles of combat
Is vastly more experienced.
ya but batman wins
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Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
DD uses his senses in combat MUCH better than Wolverine, and DD has a tiny bit of an edge because Cap has no main weapon, and DD can anticipate and roll with his attacks.
not really he simply uses other senses.
Not really capt still superior to DD in most area's.
any fighter can roll with punches.
still not seeing how DD beats wolverine the majority.
He lacking physically.
He lacking experience wise
He not as skilled
He ahs super sense, but so does wolverine
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is this a serous post?
also can you explain your points with the scanns. You just did a trick were you post a lot of scann with out telling the purpose.
Originally posted by BattlehammerHe uses his super senses WAAAAAY better than Wolverine. And, most of his are more powerful, and he has the radar sense, and every slight movement Wolverine makes will tell Matt what he's about to do.
not really he simply uses other senses.Not really capt still superior to DD in most area's.
any fighter can roll with punches.
still not seeing how DD beats wolverine the majority.
He lacking physically.
He lacking experience wise
He not as skilled
He ahs super sense, but so does wolverine
DD anticipated and rolled with Spider-man's punches. 😬
And he's nearly as skilled, and in most combat situations (including most vs. DD, iirc), Wolverine doesn't display his huge amount of MA knowledge. 😬
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
He uses his super senses WAAAAAY better than Wolverine. And, most of his are more powerful, and he has the radar sense, and every slight movement Wolverine makes will tell Matt what he's about to do.
every movement DD makes will tell Logan what he doing.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph .[/B
DD anticipated and rolled with Spider-man's punches. 😬.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
And he's nearly as skilled, and in most combat situations (including most vs. DD, iirc), Wolverine doesn't display his huge amount of MA knowledge. 😬
were did you get this from?
he fought Logan twice. Once Logan was mind controlled and stated he was fighting as hard as he could not to get another mask killed
There other fight Logan beat DD in 4 pannels in pure h2h combat
Originally posted by BattlehammerYou really want to compare Logan's use of senses to DD's?
false. actaully Logans sense of smell is better. He also can see.every movement DD makes will tell Logan what he doing.
Originally posted by BattlehammerThat he's not just "any fighter" like you seem to imply.
Logan has dodged spidermans punches so your point?
Originally posted by BattlehammerReading the comics...
were did you get this from?he fought Logan twice. Once Logan was mind controlled and stated he was fighting as hard as he could not to get another mask killed
There other fight Logan beat DD in 4 pannels in pure h2h combat
Then there was the time DD took him out with a throat chop...
This fight is really advantageous to Batman. Why? Because it really puts him in a prime dominance locus.
Think of it ....the main advantageous others had (e.g. Wolverine's healing factor and Cap's Super-soldier serum ....more on that later) are negated. Everyone is basically at peak human, and the only person who has trained to be at that level is Batman.
EVERYONE else has had some enhancement (i.e. serums, healing factors due to mutagenes, super-human traits in the case of Slade, taskmasters abilities, IronFists chi mumbojumbo, radioactive substances that give them a 'radar sense' - note that Daredevil does not only have enhanced senses, but the radioactive fluid that robbed him of his sight also changed him ....his abilities do not only stem from Stick's training, etc)
Batman wouldn't actually experience any change .....it would basically be HIM as he IS. ALL of the other characters would experience a negation of ability.
Now, to the super-soldier serum.
The main difference between |Cap and Bats is not that the serum makes Cap peak human. Batman is ALREADY peak human, only that he did not need a serum to get there (and for that matter he would take it ....think of it, he could take venom, he doesn't. He also refuses to use 'easy way outs', like when he refused to let a MotherBox heal him of his injuries, or how he became the Batman again after having his back broken by basically starting from scratch. There is no way Bruce would use a serum even if he had one available, and he has several).
The MAIN difference between the two is ONE trait of the serum .....that it allows Captain America not to experience fatigue.
That is the only thing that differentiates the two when it comes to physical abilities (in martial arts Bruce is superior, no matter what some say .....not to say Captain is a slow-poke ....if it was a test Cap would get 99% with Bruce getting a 100%. But that is still a 1% difference). The key difference is fatigue.
With the serum Cap can never tire ....he can fight all out and the serum takes care of any fatigue toxins (caused by anaeboric respiration) in his bloodstream.
Batman can suffer from fatigue.
It would take him longer than (say) normal humans to suffer from its effects, but push him long enough and he will break.
Look at KnightFall .....before Bane broke Batman's back, he SYSTEMATICALLY broke down Batman. For WEEKS he had Batman running all over the place (e.g. chasing down the criminals that Bane had broken out of prison).
By the time Bane metup with Batman finally Bats was a finished man (hadn't even had time to be shaving), and he lost.
Anyways, in this match it is only Batman who wouldn't notice a difference.
Others like Captain wouldn't notice much of a difference, while others like Iron Fist and Slade (and DD etc) still have loads of fighting experience to pull from (i.e. are masters).
Wolverine would have a distinct problem.
Sure ....he can fight and has decades upon decades upon decades of fighting experience. He is Samurai, among other things.
The problem is that througout all those decades he has had to rely on his superlative healing factor as an edge (actually as THE edge that allows him to tangle with people FAR above his paygrade. Without the factor he would be another puny mutant with claws .....it is not the claws that make Wovlerine special ....it is the healing factor. Without it he wouldn't even qualify above Jubilee for joining the XMen).
He tends to rush into things, depending on the factor to bail him out.
That wouldn't be a good strategy against some of the people here. E.g. rushing in against Cap, Ironfist or Batman would result in a leopard-strike (the Shiva move, which Batman can do but refuses to use since it entails killing your opponent) through the eyes.
Anyways, who would win .....that is up for debate.
But this is a fight created for Batman. It is almost like asking a Karate kumite champion (world class), a Gungfu champion exponent, a Krav Maga specialist, a Muay Thai champion, and a World-champion Heavy weight Boxer. And having then compete in a Judo-style match. Oh, and you also include a World-class Brazillian jujitsu champion in that match.
Sure, the others can fight. All are great. But in this event the rules favor one person above the others. The Brazillian Jujitsu fighter will have a definite advantage.
Originally posted by spetznazBut the others aren't put at a disadvantage... DD still has the senses, Cap still has the serum, etc.
This fight is really advantageous to Batman. Why? Because it really puts him in a prime dominance locus.
Think of it ....the main advantageous others had (e.g. Wolverine's healing factor and Cap's Super-soldier serum ....more on that later) are negated. Everyone is basically at peak human, and the only person who has trained to be at that level is Batman.
EVERYONE else has had some enhancement (i.e. serums, healing factors due to mutagenes, super-human traits in the case of Slade, taskmasters abilities, IronFists chi mumbojumbo, radioactive substances that give them a 'radar sense' - note that Daredevil does not only have enhanced senses, but the radioactive fluid that robbed him of his sight also changed him ....his abilities do not only stem from Stick's training, etc)Batman wouldn't actually experience any change .....it would basically be HIM as he IS. ALL of the other characters would experience a negation of ability.
Now, to the super-soldier serum.
The main difference between |Cap and Bats is not that the serum makes Cap peak human. Batman is ALREADY peak human, only that he did not need a serum to get there (and for that matter he would take it ....think of it, he could take venom, he doesn't. He also refuses to use 'easy way outs', like when he refused to let a MotherBox heal him of his injuries, or how he became the Batman again after having his back broken by basically starting from scratch. There is no way Bruce would use a serum even if he had one available, and he has several).
The MAIN difference between the two is ONE trait of the serum .....that it allows Captain America not to experience fatigue.
That is the only thing that differentiates the two when it comes to physical abilities (in martial arts Bruce is superior, no matter what some say .....not to say Captain is a slow-poke ....if it was a test Cap would get 99% with Bruce getting a 100%. But that is still a 1% difference). The key difference is fatigue.With the serum Cap can never tire ....he can fight all out and the serum takes care of any fatigue toxins (caused by anaeboric respiration) in his bloodstream.
Batman can suffer from fatigue.
It would take him longer than (say) normal humans to suffer from its effects, but push him long enough and he will break.
Look at KnightFall .....before Bane broke Batman's back, he SYSTEMATICALLY broke down Batman. For WEEKS he had Batman running all over the place (e.g. chasing down the criminals that Bane had broken out of prison).
By the time Bane metup with Batman finally Bats was a finished man (hadn't even had time to be shaving), and he lost.Anyways, in this match it is only Batman who wouldn't notice a difference.
Others like Captain wouldn't notice much of a difference, while others like Iron Fist and Slade (and DD etc) still have loads of fighting experience to pull from (i.e. are masters).
Wolverine would have a distinct problem.
Sure ....he can fight and has decades upon decades upon decades of fighting experience. He is Samurai, among other things.
The problem is that througout all those decades he has had to rely on his superlative healing factor as an edge (actually as THE edge that allows him to tangle with people FAR above his paygrade. Without the factor he would be another puny mutant with claws .....it is not the claws that make Wovlerine special ....it is the healing factor. Without it he wouldn't even qualify above Jubilee for joining the XMen).He tends to rush into things, depending on the factor to bail him out.
That wouldn't be a good strategy against some of the people here. E.g. rushing in against Cap, Ironfist or Batman would result in a leopard-strike (the Shiva move, which Batman can do but refuses to use since it entails killing your opponent) through the eyes.
Anyways, who would win .....that is up for debate.
But this is a fight created for Batman. It is almost like asking a Karate kumite champion (world class), a Gungfu champion exponent, a Krav Maga specialist, a Muay Thai champion, and a World-champion Heavy weight Boxer. And having then compete in a Judo-style match. Oh, and you also include a World-class Brazillian jujitsu champion in that match.
Sure, the others can fight. All are great. But in this event the rules favor one person above the others. The Brazillian Jujitsu fighter will have a definite advantage.
What's missing is:
Weapons
Wolverine's HF
Active Abilities (Iron Fist's IF, etc.)
Which puts DD at the biggest advantage, as he still has his powers that let him hang with everybody here, and Bruce is missing the equalizer (his gadgets).
Cap is the weapon, not the shield, but that's not to say it doesn't contribute... I would in fact say it contributes much more than DD's billy clubs do for him.
Wolverine lacks the claws, the healing factor, and I have yet to see evidence that he uses his senses even remotely as effectively as Matt.
Iron Fist is good but without his chi, DD will still always be a step ahead of him.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
You really want to compare Logan's use of senses to DD's?
That he's not just "any fighter" like you seem to imply.Reading the comics...
Then there was the time DD took him out with a throat chop...
yes actaully. You think DD senses give him some crazy edge on logan, but it doesent. DD hearign is better. Logan smell is equal or better then DD. Both can sense eachother before they strike. In the end it does not matter. Hell capt senses are good enough for him to senses there attacks as well.
Im not implying DD any fighter im implying he loses due to Logan superior physical stats.
You mean the issue written by ennis? The one that wrote wolverine and logan like an idiot. The issue that controdicted it self at every turn.
Like ive explain and proven before the issue is PIS.
Originally posted by BattlehammerThat's not what I said. What I said was that DD USED his senses much better than Wolverine.
yes actaully. You think DD senses give him some crazy edge on logan, but it doesent. DD hearign is better. Logan smell is equal or better then DD. Both can sense eachother before they strike. In the end it does not matter. Hell capt senses are good enough for him to senses there attacks as well.Im not implying DD any fighter im implying he loses due to Logan superior physical stats.
You mean the issue written by ennis? The one that wrote wolverine and logan like an idiot. The issue that controdicted it self at every turn.
Like ive explain and proven before the issue is PIS.
I'm implying he doesn't. Lolzorz, look at dat!
PIS it may be, but it's still a showing. You said there were only two. I count at least three.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
That's not what I said. What I said was that DD USED his senses much better than Wolverine.I'm implying he doesn't. Lolzorz, look at dat!
PIS it may be, but it's still a showing. You said there were only two. I count at least three.
But Logan uses his senses.........the only difference is DD apeares to use them more becuase he can't see. Logan can so he using his eyes while DD forcus on hearing or radar sense.
NO it was PIS it a fact. I don't count PIS fights. also I heard the marvel recontt it to have been all a dream or some such. I been trying to find if this article actaully exists
