Current Peter is fully capable of keeping distance from Wolverine with telekinesis, force choke, teleportation, or simply flying at a safe distance. He could then use lightning strikes and work on trying to go nuclear.
In addition to what others have said, full potential Peter should also have Parkman's reality warping and mind control. There wouldn't be a fight at all.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm sorry. Peter is a retard, with his powers and in other situations too. Logan is a trained, experienced killer. Peter dies a horrible death.
My thoughts.
also people for get he a normal human with normal human reflexes.
Logan could close likly kill pete before he realized what happen.
Originally posted by Entity
You realise those superstrenght hits would be againist adamantium? A substance much harder than anything in the heroes universe.
Those hits wouldn't be against adamantium ....they would be against Wolverine's flesh, which has an adamantium skeleton underneath. It would actually be Logan's flesh impacting the adamantium.
Anyways, that is all moot in the first place.
For one, this is not about Peter with a healing factor vs Wolvie with a healing factor. The OP stated that this was between any version of Petrelli (including the future one, who has all those powers that he had accumulated over the past 5 years) against Wolverine. The Peter who has the fight in the future against Sylar, and both are simply unleashing all sorts of energies.
Now, Wolverine could win if he managed to shove a claw into the sweet spot in the back of Peter's head, or maybe decapitating the sucker all together. That is possible (because we do not know what other powers Peter may have accumulated in the future that may stop that). And this is if we ignore the fact that Wolvie is a mutant whose power is his healing factor, and Peter is a mutant whose power is to absorb the powers of other mutants (and unlike Rogue this effect doesn't require tactile contact ....simply being in the immediatevicinity will do).
However, Logan wouldn't have the chance to get close enough to do that. Which is something that people always do when it comes to certain characters who HAVE TO HAVE TACTILE CONTACT TO DO DAMAGE.
Wolverine is a perfect example of such. Even if he has someone to throw him (i.e. that trick of his with Colossus), he will ONLY DO DAMAGE if he manages to get his claws on the person. He HAS to come into contact with a person.
Now, the rules stipulate that characters know general info about the other character, and that they fight to their maximum.
Why in goodness name would Peter allow Logan to get within 25 feet of him? He'd be blasting him with everything from ice to pure nuclear streams of energy ....and i wander what would happen if he turned intangible, walked to where Wolverine was, got inside him, and simply exploded with the detonation level of a city-busting thermonuclear bomb!
Wolverine, at the end of the day, is a mutant who has a good healing factor (not the best, even in MArvel, but a pretty good one nonetheless), superlative martial arts training (one of the best trainings, and definitely one of the best experience levels), and a nearly-unbreakable skeleton that encapsulate one of Wolvie's other mutant traits .... a set of bone claws that terminate in his hands (which are wrapped in adamantium which allows them to cut through almost anything).
That is what Wolvie is. And while it might appear impressive, it is actually quite limiting when it comes to the type of characters that people usually match him up with. At the end of the day, Wolverine is simply a slash-n-hack uni-dimensional character who cannot hang with many of the people he supposedly hangs out with (if PIS was stripped out).
And he will not hang out with a mutant (yes, it is a TV show, but they are mutants) who (I am using the future variant, since I was allowed to) is a battle-hardened refugee who has the power sets of AT LEAST one or two complete X-Men teams all wrapped in one person.
Anyways, answer me this:
What will Wolverine do if Peter stops time? How will his shiny adamantium ginsu knives help him then, and his healing factor needs time to work (i.e. cellular healing may be fast in his case, but it still needs SOME time ....be it minutes). If Peter decides to do the whole explosion thing, with time stopped, while being inside Wolvie ....what happens to dear Logan?
Originally posted by spetznaz
Those hits wouldn't be against adamantium ....they would be against Wolverine's flesh, which has an adamantium skeleton underneath. It would actually be Logan's flesh impacting the adamantium.Anyways, that is all moot in the first place.
For one, this is not about Peter with a healing factor vs Wolvie with a healing factor. The OP stated that this was between any version of Petrelli (including the future one, who has all those powers that he had accumulated over the past 5 years) against Wolverine. The Peter who has the fight in the future against Sylar, and both are simply unleashing all sorts of energies.
Now, Wolverine could win if he managed to shove a claw into the sweet spot in the back of Peter's head, or maybe decapitating the sucker all together. That is possible (because we do not know what other powers Peter may have accumulated in the future that may stop that). And this is if we ignore the fact that Wolvie is a mutant whose power is his healing factor, and Peter is a mutant whose power is to absorb the powers of other mutants (and unlike Rogue this effect doesn't require tactile contact ....simply being in the immediatevicinity will do).
However, Logan wouldn't have the chance to get close enough to do that. Which is something that people always do when it comes to certain characters who HAVE TO HAVE TACTILE CONTACT TO DO DAMAGE.
Wolverine is a perfect example of such. Even if he has someone to throw him (i.e. that trick of his with Colossus), he will ONLY DO DAMAGE if he manages to get his claws on the person. He HAS to come into contact with a person.
Now, the rules stipulate that characters know general info about the other character, and that they fight to their maximum.
Why in goodness name would Peter allow Logan to get within 25 feet of him? He'd be blasting him with everything from ice to pure nuclear streams of energy ....and i wander what would happen if he turned intangible, walked to where Wolverine was, got inside him, and simply exploded with the detonation level of a city-busting thermonuclear bomb!
Wolverine, at the end of the day, is a mutant who has a good healing factor (not the best, even in MArvel, but a pretty good one nonetheless), superlative martial arts training (one of the best trainings, and definitely one of the best experience levels), and a nearly-unbreakable skeleton that encapsulate one of Wolvie's other mutant traits .... a set of bone claws that terminate in his hands (which are wrapped in adamantium which allows them to cut through almost anything).
That is what Wolvie is. And while it might appear impressive, it is actually quite limiting when it comes to the type of characters that people usually match him up with. At the end of the day, Wolverine is simply a slash-n-hack uni-dimensional character who cannot hang with many of the people he supposedly hangs out with (if PIS was stripped out).
And he will not hang out with a mutant (yes, it is a TV show, but they are mutants) who (I am using the future variant, since I was allowed to) is a battle-hardened refugee who has the power sets of AT LEAST one or two complete X-Men teams all wrapped in one person.
Anyways, answer me this:
What will Wolverine do if Peter stops time? How will his shiny adamantium ginsu knives help him then, and his healing factor needs time to work (i.e. cellular healing may be fast in his case, but it still needs SOME time ....be it minutes). If Peter decides to do the whole explosion thing, with time stopped, while being inside Wolvie ....what happens to dear Logan?
your posts are always so dam long. lol
I like to mention of few things. There not mutants nor was it ever stated.
Future peter would win. any other version is a novice who fights like an idiot. His cis would be his down fall.
also depending on how far they are apart logan could litterally kill him before he new what happen. He still has normal human reaction time.
also If Logan dove through him while he was intangable he get KOed.
just some food for thought
Wolverine couldn't kill Peter with the claws. he'd heal from them, pretty quickly.
all Peter needs to do is form a THOUGHT and Wolverine's on death row.
1. lift Wolverine in the air, with a TK choke.
2. melt his flesh with focused nuclear blasts.
3. pour molten metal over wolverine's fleshless form.
4. watch him suffocate to death as the molten metal hardens over his mouth.
this is too easy.
Originally posted by janus77
Wolverine couldn't kill Peter with the claws. he'd heal from them, pretty quickly.all Peter needs to do is form a THOUGHT and Wolverine's on death row.
1. lift Wolverine in the air, with a TK choke.
2. melt his flesh with focused nuclear blasts.
3. pour molten metal over wolverine's fleshless form.
4. watch him suffocate to death as the molten metal hardens over his mouth.this is too easy.
To bad cis stops him from all that. He a novice. Who sucks with his powers.
only version that wins is future. The rest of him are jsut to dam awful with there powers to beat Logan.
Logan I said If there any were close to eachother with in 50 feet peter could likly die for he gets and attack off.
oh and if Logan cut off peter head he die. Which logan would do.
Originally posted by janus77
1) no specific version of Peter was stated so no "cis" possible
2) Peter might be a novice but he's not stupid about Wolverine's threat, he knows he needs to keep him distant, thus the TK choke.
3) Wolverine isn't fast enough to cut Peter's head before Peter stops time (and heals from the wound).
Thats why every one says future version would win any other would get stomped.
actaully peter pritty dam stupid with his powers.
actaully Logan deffiently fast enough..........Logan has speed blizt soldier who were trained to take meta humans...........peter reaction time would be well below theres.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
your posts are always so dam long. lolI like to mention of few things. There not mutants nor was it ever stated.
Future peter would win. any other version is a novice who fights like an idiot. His cis would be his down fall.
also depending on how far they are apart logan could litterally kill him before he new what happen. He still has normal human reaction time.
also If Logan dove through him while he was intangable he get KOed.
just some food for thought
1) Reason why they tend to be longer the average is because I try to put some logic into them. This insures against stupid one-line comments, like the one from the fella in pg 5 who stated that Wolverine could regrow his Adamantium skeleton ....Wolvie has been overhyped and made into one of the most PIS/CIS-ridden jokes out there, but to date no one has made him regrow ADAMANTIUM!
2) They are mutants. Not X-men mutants ....but mutants. A mutant is an individual who has a trait or attribute that is markedly different from that of the baseline. A progression (positive mutation), or regression (negative mutation). Happens all the time. And you claim that the people in Heroes are not mutants ....LOL. what are they then? What is the series about? That book that keeps popping up ....what is it about? The reason I find this funny is it reminds me of an incident when i was in 3rd grade ....a teacher asked about mutation (I schooled in Kenya before going to the US, and our education system - for those in private schools - is far better than what I found in the States ...but I digress), and i gave an explanation of what it was. An extremely basic explanation, since it was 3rd grade. And one of the students said that was a lie because it could only be found in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. To the kid anything with 'mutant' in it was a cartoon.
Anyways, they ARE mutants. And it runs THROUGHOUT the series.
3) Future Peter would win. That is what I was saying, and i mentioned it several times in that post. No need to repeat why, but suffice it to say that Wolverine would have no chance. I did not touch on the other versions, and do not care about them because the OP said people could choose which version they were going with. I chose 5 years later.
4) As for Logan jumping at Peter while he was intangible ....wouldn't happen. The version of Peter that I was using would end the fight before it even began ....and it wouldn't even be a fight. More of a beating.
As I said in my 'long' post, Wolverine is nothing more than a short hairy mangler/slasher with a very nice healing factor, great combat ability, and and bone claws and skeleton that are coated with nearly-unbreakable adamantium. Nice set of attributes, but they do not make the dude invincible.
Oh, and he still has to make contact with a person to do any damage to them. Which is his largest weakness in KMC battles (which are sans PIS/CIS)
Originally posted by spetznaz
1) Reason why they tend to be longer the average is because I try to put some logic into them. This insures against stupid one-line comments, like the one from the fella in pg 5 who stated that Wolverine could regrow his Adamantium skeleton ....Wolvie has been overhyped and made into one of the most PIS/CIS-ridden jokes out there, but to date no one has made him regrow ADAMANTIUM!2) They are mutants. Not X-men mutants ....but mutants. A mutant is an individual who has a trait or attribute that is markedly different from that of the baseline. A progression (positive mutation), or regression (negative mutation). Happens all the time. And you claim that the people in Heroes are not mutants ....LOL. what are they then? What is the series about? That book that keeps popping up ....what is it about? The reason I find this funny is it reminds me of an incident when i was in 3rd grade ....a teacher asked about mutation (I schooled in Kenya before going to the US, and our education system - for those in private schools - is far better than what I found in the States ...but I digress), and i gave an explanation of what it was. An extremely basic explanation, since it was 3rd grade. And one of the students said that was a lie because it could only be found in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. To the kid anything with 'mutant' in it was a cartoon.
Anyways, they ARE mutants. And it runs THROUGHOUT the series.3) Future Peter would win. That is what I was saying, and i mentioned it several times in that post. No need to repeat why, but suffice it to say that Wolverine would have no chance. I did not touch on the other versions, and do not care about them because the OP said people could choose which version they were going with. I chose 5 years later.
4) As for Logan jumping at Peter while he was intangible ....wouldn't happen. The version of Peter that I was using would end the fight before it even began ....and it wouldn't even be a fight. More of a beating.
As I said in my 'long' post, Wolverine is nothing more than a short hairy mangler/slasher with a very nice healing factor, great combat ability, and and bone claws and skeleton that are coated with nearly-unbreakable adamantium. Nice set of attributes, but they do not make the dude invincible.
Oh, and he still has to make contact with a person to do any damage to them. Which is his largest weakness in KMC battles (which are sans PIS/CIS)
I would argue that little bit about logan being the most pis character out there, but then it be pointless. If you think that there really no changing your opinion on the matter.
when I ment he not a mutant I meant he not a mutant in the same sense as logan he does not have the x-gene. So it not likly he can copy Logan abilties like he can the other people in the show.
also the powers that you listed arnt his only powers, but I think you know that and just putt down the basic ones.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol another one. Well if your talking about future peter I agree.
Cannot help myself. It is much easier to post a smiley than have some logic.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I would argue that little bit about logan being the most pis character out there, but then it be pointless. If you think that there really no changing your opinion on the matter.
Logan doesn't have the greatest amount of PIS out there. There are some characters that have SIGNIFICANTLY larger amounts when viewed from a relative basis, including one or two that I (sadly) happen to like. Secondly, I am a major fan of Wolverine, believe it or not. I just happen not to be a fanboy.
If only you used to post sometime in the past ....then you would understand why some of the older members SEEM to be anti-Logan. Some of the stupidity that used to exist is without peer.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
when I ment he not a mutant I meant he not a mutant in the same sense as logan he does not have the x-gene.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
So it not likly he can copy Logan abilties like he can the other people in the show.
That can be debated both ways, but there is no real need for it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also the powers that you listed arnt his only powers, but I think you know that and just putt down the basic ones.
I am not sure whether you are referring to Peter (in which case his power set is truly dynamic and with the potential to be truly legion), or Wolverine (I believe this is the character you are referring to, and the one I will respond to).
Wolverine's mutant abilities are as follows:
- A healing factor: One of the better ones available in normal terms, and able to make him survive encounters that he otherwise would have no business getting involved in. His factor could actually be better, but it spends some of its potency fending off Adamantium poisoning (in more or less the same way that Cable's psi-powers would be higher if part of it wasn't always tasked in preventing the spread of the techno-virus)
- Bone claws: A set of claws, 3 on each hand, made of high density and highly durable bone. They are retractable. They are now coated with Adamantium, but that is not natural (although some people apparently think he can 'heal' Adamantium by replacing it). I have a comic from decades back where he doesn't even have claws ....but let's stick to the 'common' portrayal of Logan.
- Enhanced senses: Highly augmented senses ranging the gamut from smell to sight to others. Let's just say that if Peter turned invisible and tried to sneak up on Wolvie he would be dead. Simple.
Those are his mutant abilities (now, there are some extrapolations of the above ....e.g. he really doesn't age like others, and some of the issues i have hint at immortality, but this is due to his healing factor).
Thus, if there are other mutant abilities that Wolvie has that are not tied to the above, I would be very curious to know what they are. Seriously.
Based on your posts (and you are quite pro-Wolverine ....although thankfully you are a fan since you do back up what you say, unlike fanboys who just post 'Wolverine wins' and a series of smiley faces) you should be able to lucidly give extra mutations that I may not be aware of (I stopped collecting Wolverine in 1999, largely because the character i was buying and the character I used to like had diverged a lot. Someone told me that he healed from a Skeleton ....erm?????)
Anyways, if there are other powers please elaborate. Hopefully there are not the ones I used to see posted around 2 years ago that would enable him to defeat Superman!!!!!
Originally posted by spetznaz
Cannot help myself. It is much easier to post a smiley than have some logic.Logan doesn't have the greatest amount of PIS out there. There are some characters that have SIGNIFICANTLY larger amounts when viewed from a relative basis, including one or two that I (sadly) happen to like. Secondly, I am a major fan of Wolverine, believe it or not. I just happen not to be a fanboy.
If only you used to post sometime in the past ....then you would understand why some of the older members SEEM to be anti-Logan. Some of the stupidity that used to exist is without peer.And when I said he was a mutant I was not referring to X-men type mutants, but mutant as in different from the base species, and mutant in the manner that is repeatedly brought up in the series. A mutation that leads to augmented evolutionary process.
Thus I guess we agree on this one and can drop it.That can be debated both ways, but there is no real need for it.
I am not sure whether you are referring to Peter (in which case his power set is truly dynamic and with the potential to be truly legion), or Wolverine (I believe this is the character you are referring to, and the one I will respond to).
Wolverine's mutant abilities are as follows:- A healing factor: One of the better ones available in normal terms, and able to make him survive encounters that he otherwise would have no business getting involved in. His factor could actually be better, but it spends some of its potency fending off Adamantium poisoning (in more or less the same way that Cable's psi-powers would be higher if part of it wasn't always tasked in preventing the spread of the techno-virus)
- Bone claws: A set of claws, 3 on each hand, made of high density and highly durable bone. They are retractable. They are now coated with Adamantium, but that is not natural (although some people apparently think he can 'heal' Adamantium by replacing it). I have a comic from decades back where he doesn't even have claws ....but let's stick to the 'common' portrayal of Logan.
- Enhanced senses: Highly augmented senses ranging the gamut from smell to sight to others. Let's just say that if Peter turned invisible and tried to sneak up on Wolvie he would be dead. Simple.
Those are his mutant abilities (now, there are some extrapolations of the above ....e.g. he really doesn't age like others, and some of the issues i have hint at immortality, but this is due to his healing factor).
Thus, if there are other mutant abilities that Wolvie has that are not tied to the above, I would be very curious to know what they are. Seriously.
Based on your posts (and you are quite pro-Wolverine ....although thankfully you are a fan since you do back up what you say, unlike fanboys who just post 'Wolverine wins' and a series of smiley faces) you should be able to lucidly give extra mutations that I may not be aware of (I stopped collecting Wolverine in 1999, largely because the character i was buying and the character I used to like had diverged a lot. Someone told me that he healed from a Skeleton ....erm?????)
Anyways, if there are other powers please elaborate. Hopefully there are not the ones I used to see posted around 2 years ago that would enable him to defeat Superman!!!!!
Oh I been around since before there was a versus forum lol. This is jsut another account name. Back then though Logan was thought of as a joke I mean I remeber peopel trying to say pysloke would beat logan in a match of skill lol. But ya black wolverine and so forth were rediculous.
ya lol i wasent very clear. I ment wolverine, but nvm. Since his other abilities are based off of one power or another. he has inhuman agility,stamina,reflex and so on, but there due to his healing factor as well as weapon x modifications.
He also has inhuman durability given to him by weapon x.
If you want a good reference to a good explaination on Logan and weapon x project i suggest the weapon x noval.
Berserker rage which is a power/mind set.
ya thats about it. He also seems to have empathy type deal.
He also has some type of immortality. He can come back from a simply skeleton due to his soul returning to his body.
another interesting thing you might not know is he actaully lived several lives and is recarnation of an ancient warrior.
I miss rage he was so funny. He also the reason I got banned, but it was not really his fault lol.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh I been around since before there was a versus forum lol. This is jsut another account name. Back then though Logan was thought of as a joke I mean I remeber peopel trying to say pysloke would beat logan in a match of skill lol. But ya black wolverine and so forth were rediculous.ya lol i wasent very clear. I ment wolverine, but nvm. Since his other abilities are based off of one power or another. he has inhuman agility,stamina,reflex and so on, but there due to his healing factor as well as weapon x modifications.
He also has inhuman durability given to him by weapon x.
If you want a good reference to a good explaination on Logan and weapon x project i suggest the weapon x noval.
Berserker rage which is a power/mind set.
ya thats about it. He also seems to have empathy type deal.
He also has some type of immortality. He can come back from a simply skeleton due to his soul returning to his body.
another interesting thing you might not know is he actaully lived several lives and is recarnation of an ancient warrior.
I miss rage he was so funny. He also the reason I got banned, but it was not really his fault lol.
You honestly do not feel that whole 'soul recall' thing was basically taking a good thing too far? Like putting 50 inch wheels (monster truck) on a Lamborghini Gallardo?
Also, is it really a mutant ability or something more ...well ....'spiritual.'
Anyways, I like the character set for Logan (same for Bruce Banner/Hulk, which I especially love particularly due to its allusion to the Dr Jekyl/MrHyde duality). But both have been, for lack of a better term, 'stretched.'
Again, Wolvie. He is already good without soul recalls. Why add it?
It would be like someone taking Batman, and giving him the bat-kick power. Yeah, he has been shown doing ridiculous things with that side kick of his, but it is a running gag. Imagine if it was made into an actual power ....i.e. he is suddenly a meta with the ability to kick deity-powered angelic hosts/abstracts, 4th dimension gods, and who knows what ...and even draw blood!
That would change it from a gag into one of the worst decisions around.
Didn't know you were around for that long BTW. As long as your name was not Wolverine8888 you are alright in my book (and if you are, you are quite different. LOL)
Originally posted by spetznaz
You honestly do not feel that whole 'soul recall' thing was basically taking a good thing too far? Like putting 50 inch wheels (monster truck) on a Lamborghini Gallardo?Also, is it really a mutant ability or something more ...well ....'spiritual.'
Anyways, I like the character set for Logan (same for Bruce Banner/Hulk, which I especially love particularly due to its allusion to the Dr Jekyl/MrHyde duality). But both have been, for lack of a better term, 'stretched.'
Again, Wolvie. He is already good without soul recalls. Why add it?
It would be like someone taking Batman, and giving him the bat-kick power. Yeah, he has been shown doing ridiculous things with that side kick of his, but it is a running gag. Imagine if it was made into an actual power ....i.e. he is suddenly a meta with the ability to kick deity-powered angelic hosts/abstracts, 4th dimension gods, and who knows what ...and even draw blood!
That would change it from a gag into one of the worst decisions around.Didn't know you were around for that long BTW. As long as your name was not Wolverine8888 you are alright in my book (and if you are, you are quite different. LOL)
Naw it aight. Becuases now it actaully explain that if he takes to much damage he actaully does infact die. So he no longer healing from almost nothing. He actaully dieing and being resurected.
It actaully beign explain as of now in the current run.
Also the whole recarnation thing has been around since one of his frist runs during the Ba'al arc. So it not really a new thing at all it been an idea out there for a very long time.
They added it to explain about those times when he has actaully died yet some how came back. like when magneto ripped his skeleton out and so forth.
Logan always had a spiritial aspect to him that been shown in a view of his arcs.
Lol I am wolverine8888, but I had many people use my account. I made the account originally used it for like two weeks stop and gave it to my brother. Then started usign again about a month or two before being banned, becuases of socking though i had a good reason which Rage knows about, but he gone.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Naw it aight. Becuases now it actaully explain that if he takes to much damage he actaully does infact die. So he no longer healing from almost nothing. He actaully dieing and being resurected.It actaully beign explain as of now in the current run.
Also the whole recarnation thing has been around since one of his frist runs during the Ba'al arc. So it not really a new thing at all it been an idea out there for a very long time.
They added it to explain about those times when he has actaully died yet some how came back. like when magneto ripped his skeleton out and so forth.
Logan always had a spiritial aspect to him that been shown in a view of his arcs.
Lol I am wolverine8888, but I had many people use my account. I made the account originally used it for like two weeks stop and gave it to my brother. Then started usign again about a month or two before being banned, becuases of socking though i had a good reason which Rage knows about, but he gone.
LOL.
I knew that was probably what was going to happen. Anyways, it is all good.
LOL. Have a great weekend.