WWH arc Hulk is stated to be the strongest Hulk's ever been >>> War Hulk.
on top of that, the Zom/Strange battle is proof enough of a new level of power.
as to the Herald-level ranking, as I said before, he's not versatile enough to make maximum use of the staggering power that he possesses. that doesn't mean he can't pummel any herald to death, he clearly could - and would - but that it would have to be on his terms, without 90% of their abilities being brought into play.
Originally posted by janus77
WWH arc Hulk is stated to be the strongest Hulk's ever been >>> War Hulk.on top of that, the Zom/Strange battle is proof enough of a new level of power.
as to the Herald-level ranking, as I said before, he's not versatile enough to make maximum use of the staggering power that he possesses. that doesn't mean he can't pummel any herald to death, he clearly could - and would - but that it would have to be on his terms, without 90% of their abilities being brought into play.
Could he now?
I've yet to see any feats that puts him on the same level as ANY of the mid-heralds.
I'm a bit confused. Classic Hulk was more than a worthy sparring partner for Thor, and Thor is by most people considered Herald level.
WWH is much stronger, more durable and smarter than Classic Hulk, and still some people refuse to accept he could be Herald level !?
Like all Heralds are these amazing creatures with incredible, limitless powers. Yeah right...
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I'm a bit confused. Classic Hulk was more than a worthy sparring partner for Thor, and Thor is by most people considered Herald level.WWH is much stronger, more durable and smarter than Classic Hulk, and still some people refuse to accept he could be Herald level !?
Like all Heralds are these amazing creatures with incredible, limitless powers. Yeah right...
Wrong.
Contrary to popular belief Thor actually has a very good track record against the Hulk. Despite the fact that he ALWAYS chooses to fight like an idiot and duke it out hand to hand. He has won twice and stalemated the Hulk once. Lost twice if I'm not mistaken.
A Thor without mjolnir and its enchantment is not a herald level character. Nor do I think that Thor deserves the herald title when he only hits people with his hammer. Physically, Thor loses to the Hulk, that's no secret.
However, when using flight, weather manipulation, matter manipulation and everything that Thor is granted through Mjolnir. He can go well above the high herald rank. So no, the Hulk has never really beaten a "high herald Thor"
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I'm a bit confused. Classic Hulk was more than a worthy sparring partner for Thor, and Thor is by most people considered Herald level.WWH is much stronger, more durable and smarter than Classic Hulk, and still some people refuse to accept he could be Herald level !?
The difference is that the Thor that is HighHerald is the one that comes out when he fights people at very high power levels. Mjolnir really does give Thor tons of options and powers, however there are many instances where he chooses not to use them. Although several of the better known powers would be just about useless Thor does have tricks like the Godblast or transmutation or antiforce blasts which are perfectly capable of KOing or even killing Hulk.
When Thor fights on teams or against people of comparatively linear powersets (such as Hulk) the powers that put him at HighHerald don't come out nearly as much which skews down the level of the feat.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I'm a bit confused. Classic Hulk was more than a worthy sparring partner for Thor, and Thor is by most people considered Herald level.WWH is much stronger, more durable and smarter than Classic Hulk, and still some people refuse to accept he could be Herald level !?
Like all Heralds are these amazing creatures with incredible, limitless powers. Yeah right...
People (here) would refuse to accept the hulk herald level even if he beat Galactus. KMC thanks to some posters is now a legend in the world of comic boards.
War Hulk is skyfather level. He can beat a celestial according Apocalypse. He would trash Thanos and Darkseid. World War Hulk could be even stronger. KMC does not count anything because this place is full of trolls who hate the hulk because the hulk > their fav.
KMC opinions count nothing, comics speak the truth.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats a blatant lie.
Cosigned.
Lord, I love Sym.
Him, Bada, and a (very) few others are pretty much the only reasonable Hulk fans left.
Anywhere. 🙁.
Originally posted by miraclethree
Only on this board. Ask anywhere and get ready to cry.
😬. Why? I feel absolutely no emotional attachment to comic book characters - positive or negative. And I care even less about the opinions of other comic book fans, especially ones that are as ignorant as you're describing.
Originally posted by miraclethree
People (here) would refuse to accept the hulk herald level even if he beat Galactus. KMC thanks to some posters is now a legend in the world of comic boards.by definition then, he would be ABOVE 'Herald Level' and thus people would be right to reject the idea that Hulk is Herald Level
War Hulk is skyfather level. He can beat a celestial according Apocalypse. He would trash Thanos and Darkseid. World War Hulk could be even stronger. KMC does not count anything because this place is full of trolls who hate the hulk because the hulk > their fav.
KMC opinions count nothing, comics speak the truth.
that is NOT the same thing as saying Hulk >/= a Celestial ❌.
my only reason for say Hulk isn't "Herald Level" is his lack of versatility. he has way more than enough +raw power+ to tear Heralds asunder, just not the ability to fly, react or anything else, at their speeds and at the vast distances upon which they operate.
he beat up on Zom/Strange once Strange tried to reign-in some of Zom's stupendous power... and indeed he could have easily killed Strange, but Zom/Strange wasn't using anything like the power that Zom possesses. consider how "galaxies are destroyed" when Odin unleashes, do you think that was the level to which Zom/Strange took things against Hulk?
truth is Zom/Strange may indeed be >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Odin, but Zom/Strange didn't go all out. Strange couldn't handle Zom's power, he made blunders, almost killed innocent by-standers and generally - in the end - had to acknowledge that he was an idiot for even trying to use Zom.
Hulk could probably take a lot of what Odin can dish out physically, especially so if the Odin - Thanos confrontation is anything to go by. it's the magics that would be Hulk's downfall.
Originally posted by janus77
he beat up on Zom/Strange once Strange tried to reign-in some of Zom's stupendous power... and indeed he could have easily killed Strange, but Zom/Strange wasn't using anything like the power that Zom possesses. consider how "galaxies are destroyed" when Odin unleashes, do you think that was the level to which Zom/Strange took things against Hulk?truth is Zom/Strange may indeed be >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Odin, but Zom/Strange didn't go all out. Strange couldn't handle Zom's power, he made blunders, almost killed innocent by-standers and generally - in the end - had to acknowledge that he was an idiot for even trying to use Zom.
Hulk could probably take a lot of what Odin can dish out physically, especially so if the Odin - Thanos confrontation is anything to go by. it's the magics that would be Hulk's downfall.
If Odin faces the World War Hulk as he faced Thanos, Odin dies pretty fast.
Thor himself has said that he rarely goes all out when he's on teams, because he feels humans should do the job themselves, without the aid of the gods.
Apocalypse did say that Hulk could be a weapon against the celestials.............but I'll consign that to hyperbole or Apoc throwing Hulk at the celestials as a decoy. 😛
I'm a hulk fan. durhulk I may not like the wankery and PIS of WWH, but the story is pretty good (excluding the Strange Zom thing).
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor himself has said that he rarely goes all out when he's on teams, because he feels humans should do the job themselves, without the aid of the gods.Apocalypse did say that Hulk could be a weapon against the celestials.............but I'll consign that to hyperbole or Apoc throwing Hulk at the celestials as a decoy. 😛
I'm a hulk fan. durhulk I may not like the wankery and PIS of WWH, but the story is pretty good (excluding the Strange Zom thing).
What story?
😕.
Originally posted by Soljer
Nope, but creations CAN exceed their creators.Check Amazo for proof.
Seeing as Apocalypse's technology is A PART of him and he uses it to funnel his own power, I think the idea that he can amplify someone else above his own level is ridiculous. Then again, Apoc getting any cred on this board? meh
I mean, look at Moses Magnum. People would give him the majority against Apocalypse, even though he's afraid of him.