Why our country ignores Alexander Hamilton?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uhh...she wasn't making a case for him being a hero, she was making a case for him to not be hated so much. She was trying to bring him from a negative status to a positive status...not a positive status to a hero status.

Quoting Czarina now

"but Hamilton should be the role model for our nation. "

Seems like he should be the greatest American ever in Czarina's eyes if you ask me.

Yes, it is something to be admired, greatly so. This is a fantastic achievement.

I don't see why. Sure it was a smart thing to do, but that doesn't make him great. I mean he wasn't the first he took a system other country's already had and put it in his own. Of course a good steal is better then a bad invention but we shouldn't credit him for it like it was his own invention.

3. He brought us the stock and bond market

[Sarcasm]Yeah because people were designing and implementing major financial systems left and right back in his day. Hardly something to be admired.[/Sarcasm]

"Mildly intelligent"? I am fairly sure that his IQ was well above average.

Ok I'll admit he was probably really smart, that doesn't change the fact that this was not his invention, like the other things good stealing is better then a bad invention but it was still just taking an invention made somewhere else and put it in your own country. Looking at what works elsewhere and putting it in your own country makes you smart it does not make you great.

9. He left public office in debt and would often have to borrow money, the same money system he created. (info found on video link)

Far from an idiot, more like a victim of his own financial ideologies. It is quite easy to fall for the silent trap known as debt. How many extremely intelligent and well educated individuals do you know that have debt?

This was just an easy reply to a point I felt made no sense. Of course smart people can be in debt. I don't see why he should be a hero because he was in debt though.

10. And I think he started the Republican Party.

"What is the Federalist Party. I'll take 18th century philosophy for $500 please."

Still a political party is no reason to make somebody a hero.

11. He was shot to death by Burr in a dual.

He was shot on the bank of a river, the Hudson river to be exact. What is ironic about this is his son was killed on the bank of that river in a duel a few years earlier. I know he died in New York but I don't think he died in a bar.

Well that is somewhat better then a bar.

Originally posted by Fishy
Quoting Czarina now

"but Hamilton should be the role model for our nation. "

Seems like he should be the greatest American ever in Czarina's eyes if you ask me.

I don't see why. Sure it was a smart thing to do, but that doesn't make him great. I mean he wasn't the first he took a system other country's already had and put it in his own. Of course a good steal is better then a bad invention but we shouldn't credit him for it like it was his own invention.

Ok I'll admit he was probably really smart, that doesn't change the fact that this was not his invention, like the other things good stealing is better then a bad invention but it was still just taking an invention made somewhere else and put it in your own country. Looking at what works elsewhere and putting it in your own country makes you smart it does not make you great.

This was just an easy reply to a point I felt made no sense. Of course smart people can be in debt. I don't see why he should be a hero because he was in debt though.

Still a political party is no reason to make somebody a hero.

Well that is somewhat better then a bar.

A role model IS NOT the same as a hero. I am not making him into a hero that saved us from doom. Do we have any role models in this country? any? anyone? and no, i am not talking about exhaulting him on high, I am just asking to give him some respect besides putting him down for crappy stuff. He should be a role model just like George or BT Washtington or anyone else ppl can think of.

Czarina, grammar isn't a horrible thing, you know.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Czarina, grammar isn't a horrible thing, you know.

Grammar? I write the way I talk. (your not suppose to).

I use to write well, but then I was attacked. I use to speak very well, but then I was attacked for that as well. When I do anything well, I get attacked, so i don't do anything well at all and ppl don't get as much out of what they would of. and i already know not to end a sentence with a preposition.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Grammar? I write the way I talk. (your not suppose to).

I use to write well, but then I was attacked. I use to speak very well, but then I was attacked for that as well. When I do anything well, I get attacked, so i don't do anything well at all and ppl don't get as much out of what they would of. and i already know not to end a sentence with a preposition.

You're such a conformist

Originally posted by AngryManatee
You're such a conformist

really? some would disagree, but if that's how you see it.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
He's most consistant in character, so why do we hate him? I think well of Jefferson (but he wasn't consistant in his character), but Hamilton should be the role model for our nation.

1. He was one of the signers of the U.S. Constitution
2. He brought us the Federal Bank
3. He brought us the stock and bond market
4. He put his OWN INCOME into the Federal Bank
5. He advocated rights for African Americans (info found on video link)
6. He never owned slaves (which doesn't make him a good man YET, but the reason why is what makes him a great character). He thought it was inefficient and didn't allow ppl who had talents to use it well and promotes indigents. (info found on video link)
7. As an attorney, he never charged large fees, and would do work for free if the person couldn't afford it. (info found on video link)
8. He read the a law like a novel and would read Ancient Roman history in Latin (most of the founding fathers read/xscribed Latin). (info found on video link)
9. He left public office in debt and would often have to borrow money, the same money system he created. (info found on video link)
10. And I think he started the Republican Party.
11. He was shot to death by Burr in a dual.

Why do we hate him?

George Washington was born out of wedlock too. But he's exalted.

He was accused of being a son of a mulatto or whore in the Caribbean.
I think he had Jewish background or some sort of Jewish education.

If I am wrong about any of this info, please let me know.

WHY DO WE HATE HIM? HE FOUNDED SO MUCH FOR US!

CONSTITUTION
FEDERAL PAPERS
TREASURY
ABOLISH SLAVERY - and he had good reasons related to expounding a person's TALENT not color caste.

Hamilton is to History/economics as Tesla is to innovation.

Any information that I borrowed from the link below is in brackets as (info found on video link). That's just to save you time and to recognize that I didn't have previous knowledge of that info before watching the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0iJ8AMA-Q

I am often asked if I get my political and social opinons from Bill Maher. I always respond that I don't watch him to be informed of my own opinion, I watch him because he expresses my opinion.

Are you asking because Michael Eric Dyson thinks he was an American thug?

Here's a question right up your alley. Why does every black leader feel it's his or her responsability to exist in a constant state of weak Malcome X impressions?

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
He died in Manhattan, but the duel happened in Jersey. Cliffs of Weehawken, to be exact.

I submit to you that the west bank of the river of which I spoke, the Hudson, was the place he was shot. In other words, Weehawken, N.J., western bank of the Hudson River. I try to play off things as if I don't know them so people will not think I am so arrogant. It often discredits or causes my words to carry less weight. It is just something I do because I try not to come off as arrogant. He did not die in a bar, he died at a friends house at around 2 pm July 12, 1804. You may want to check on those facts as I am just going from memory.

Originally posted by Fishy
Quoting Czarina now

"but Hamilton should be the role model for our nation. "

Seems like he should be the greatest American ever in Czarina's eyes if you ask me.

I don't see why. Sure it was a smart thing to do, but that doesn't make him great. I mean he wasn't the first he took a system other country's already had and put it in his own. Of course a good steal is better then a bad invention but we shouldn't credit him for it like it was his own invention.

I see your point about his financial accomplishments. However, it is still a wicked awesome accomplishment. I am sure if someone setup a massively successful system"nowadays", they would win a Nobel prize or something.

Originally posted by Fishy
Ok I'll admit he was probably really smart, that doesn't change the fact that this was not his invention, like the other things good stealing is better then a bad invention but it was still just taking an invention made somewhere else and put it in your own country. Looking at what works elsewhere and putting it in your own country makes you smart it does not make you great.

I disagree. I really depends on what is being "copied". In this case, it happens to be our federal financial institutions. If it was copying the design of a building or something, then it wouldn't be quite so great.

Originally posted by Fishy
This was just an easy reply to a point I felt made no sense. Of course smart people can be in debt. I don't see why he should be a hero because he was in debt though.

She was trying to show how humble he was. She was showing that despite his upper class status, he took advantage of the same systems he designed and implemented...I agree, though, that it isn't really something to be admired. Debt is bad...bad as in bad...not bad as in good.

Originally posted by Fishy
Still a political party is no reason to make somebody a hero.

Agreed, considering that the party failed.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Grammar? I write the way I talk. (your not suppose to).

I use to write well, but then I was attacked. I use to speak very well, but then I was attacked for that as well. When I do anything well, I get attacked, so i don't do anything well at all and ppl don't get as much out of what they would of. and i already know not to end a sentence with a preposition.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Haha, you're black.

Anyhow, Hamilton is valued...he's on the ten dollar bill....TEN DOLLAR BILL!!!

Originally posted by Bardock42
She's very good at that.

Anyhow, Hamilton is valued...he's on the ten dollar bill....TEN DOLLAR BILL!!!

He's got a point....Washington made it on the smallest $1 bill...In fact, Sacajawea made it on the somewhat gold $1 coin!!! (Sacajawea was never a president, though.)

I'd like to hear more thoughts on this.