(Un)Acceptable Forms of Indoctrination

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well. PVS said that Jesus Camp and Societies kind of indoctrination are similiar. And they are if you don't see any moral absolutes, now aren't they? On a grander scale that is.

No

Originally posted by Devil King
No

Wasn't really a question. More of a statement with a question mark at the end.

I meant FeceMan by the way. Odd.

Me? Say that there are no rights and wrongs?

Of course not. I could, however, argue it on the basis that morality is merely a construct of humans and thus as pointless as the concept of gender.

Not that I believe that, mind you, but I enjoy toying with the idea.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Me? Say that there are no rights and wrongs?

Of course not. I could, however, argue it on the basis that morality is merely a construct of humans and thus as pointless as the concept of gender.

Not that I believe that, mind you, but I enjoy toying with the idea.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I could, however, argue it on the basis that morality is merely a construct of humans and thus as pointless as the concept of gender.

You could say the same for religion.

Could. But I would argue it in the same manner.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wasn't really a question. More of a statement with a question mark at the end.

I meant FeceMan by the way. Odd.

When I said no, I was addressing the comprable indoctrination methods used by society and religion.

Originally posted by Devil King
When I said no, I was addressing the comprable indoctrination methods used by society and religion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Odd. I was addressing the idea that neither indoctrination is worse.

And I've been addressing that one isn't indoctrination.

Originally posted by Devil King
And I've been addressing that one isn't indoctrination.

Well.

It is though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It is though.

How?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I see.

Well.

It is though.

Do you not see a difference between someone telling you:

a) Find your own path (which can include Jesus or other)

b) This is the only way to be, if you don't want to suffer.

Well, there's a difference between indoctrination and how far an individual chooses to take something.

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you not see a difference between someone telling you:

a) Find your own path (which can include Jesus or other)

b) This is the only way to be, if you don't want to suffer.

I don't see the real difference between being brought up in a family that values the scientific methods over all, that see humanitarian ideals as the non plus ultra, that think equality for all is a moral absolute....and that teaches (indoctrinates) their children from an early age to value those things too and...well...Jesus Camp indoctrination (the one is more organized and stronger, granted), but I mean morally.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do.

I don't see the real difference between being brought up in a family that values the scientific methods over all, that see humanitarian ideals as the non plus ultra, that think equality for all is a moral absolute....and that teaches (indoctrinates) their children from an early age to value those things too and...well...Jesus Camp indoctrination (the one is more organized and stronger, granted), but I mean morally.

One thing that separates the two, how often does a "scientific method" leaning parent, guardian and/or teacher purpose (indoctine) their ideas onto the 'youth' with the claus of "or else this will happen", i.e. something negative will result, if the teaching isn't followed?

From what I've seen in this thread and the massive wave of necroposts by this member, I'd say he's a troll.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
From what I've seen in this thread and the massive wave of necroposts by this member, I'd say he's a troll.

The 'Lord of Poop' may be many things; I don't think he's a troll though, at least not a professional one.

Originally posted by Robtard
One thing that separates the two, how often does a "scientific method" leaning parent, guardian and/or teacher purpose (indoctine) their ideas onto the 'youth' with the claus of "or else this will happen", i.e. something negative will result, if the teaching isn't followed?

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, and I didn't say there aren't practical differences. I just said that from a truly objective view they are morally similar.

How so, when one relies heavily on fear as a persuasion? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to hear a Christian say, "no worries if you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior, I'm sure you'll get into heaven regardless."

I think Bardock may be talking about value.