is killing animals alright?{vegetarianism/buddhism etc}

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, the "naturally" part. My bad.

Out of curiousity, what was your point with that comment?

Surely it doesn't matter if it's gained naturally or not, as long as it is.

-AC

His point was because it is NATURAL to get nutritional requirements from plants and animals it is therefore acceptable to eat plants and animals- its the way of the world, circle of life.

Your suggesting that because artificial methods are available for humans to gain nutritional requirements then the need to eat animals has become defunct and thus, wrong.

Which is ofcourse, untrue.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
His point was because it is NATURAL to get nutritional requirements from plants and animals it is therefore acceptable to eat plants and animals- its the way of the world, circle of life.

Who said it wasn't acceptable to eat animals? I said you don't have to, because you do not, fact.

Just because we can, and it's accepted, doesn't mean we have to.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Your suggesting that because artificial methods are available for humans to gain nutritional requirements then the need to eat animals has become defunct and thus, wrong.

It's not wrong to eat animals in my opinion, but humans do not need to eat other animals to survive, that is fact. Hardcore, stone-cold fact.

Is it wrong to eat them? No. Is it ultimately necessary for survival? No.

Unless you believe people HAVE to eat animals to survive, which would be idiotic. Vegans, vegetarians...these people survive, sometimes to equal or superior health than that of meat eaters. Lacking animals in your diet does not make you unhealthy, having a shit diet (Meat or not) does.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who said it wasn't acceptable to eat animals?

is killing animals alright?{vegetarianism/buddhism etc}

I said you don't have to, because you do not, fact.

Just because we can, and it's accepted, doesn't mean we have to.

It's not wrong to eat animals in my opinion, but humans do not need to eat other animals to survive, that is fact. Hardcore, stone-cold fact.

You, Alliance and I all agree, but Alliance's point that it was natural to eat animals tackles the original question:

is killing animals alright?{vegetarianism/buddhism etc}

Is it wrong to eat them? No. Is it ultimately necessary for survival? No.

Unless you believe people HAVE to eat animals to survive, which would be idiotic. Vegans, vegetarians...these people survive, sometimes to equal or superior health than that of meat eaters. Lacking animals in your diet does not make you unhealthy, having a shit diet (Meat or not) does.

No ones arguing that either.

So then tell me what you hoped to achieve my entirely misinterpreting my point?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So then tell me what you hoped to achieve my entirely misinterpreting my point?

-AC

Well, I have bad news, if someone misinterprets something then it was unintentional, which means they probably didn't have any hopes of achieving anything...after all...how can you hope to achieve from something you don't know your doing...?

it is also NATURAL. to rape women and releive testosterone by fighting other men to the death over women.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it is also NATURAL. to rape women and releive testosterone by fighting other men to the death over women.

In Athenian Greece, Ancient Rome..rape wasn't illegal...so maybe it is right...🙂

no, that is just the point. BIOLOGICALLY, rape is a natural thing. so is men fighting savagely to the death over women and then claiming their prise. but NATURAL, doesnt make it RIGHT.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, that is just the point. BIOLOGICALLY, rape is a natural thing. so is men fighting savagely to the death over women and then claiming their prise. but NATURAL, doesnt make it RIGHT.

Natural and unnatural is a very blurry line. So is right and wrong. They are all human constructs. If you wanted to, you could say 8'11" humans are natural because nature created them. If you wanted to argue that it is not natural because it is too rare then I could argue that since his(Robert Wadlow's) extreme height occurred naturally in nature, then it is natural.

It is natural to have three arms. It is natural to be born retarded (mentally or physically). It is natural to eat meat..either plant or animal, etc.* However, it is unnatural to eat just plants.(and other things not meat related.) That goes beyond what humans were biologically programmed to do...human veganism or vegetarianism is a human construct, totally, and is therefore unnatural. Does it make it wrong? HELL NO! Just like my most excellent entertainment center is unnatural but "oh so right"! 😄

*Clarification: I mean IF it occurred naturally and not by some sort of human interference. That was my point.

Surely the evolution of consensus morals, is natural? So, yeah to rape used to be acceptable, but as society has become far more intuitive to the rights of the individual, it isn't. I can't see how this process isn't natural.