Ganon(LoZ) vs. DK Arthas(Warcraft)

Originally posted by Remindme
You are aware it stole his soul before he even saw it? Burning down the ships, not shivering when the icy winds "cut to the bone", only concerned about revenge.....do these sound like the actions of a man with a soul, who previously only cared for his people, now only for revenge

The power of Frostmourne is more than what you're making it sound

the fact still stands, it drains the soul of the wielder, theres a diffrence between the mind and the soul, his soul is not stolen until he has held the blade for a fairly long while.

WoW wiki
Frostmourne has the ability to drain life from its victims - and to drain the soul of anyone who wields it other than the Lich King

Originally posted by Burning thought
the fact still stands, it drains the soul of the wielder, theres a diffrence between the mind and the soul, his soul is not stolen until he has held the blade for a fairly long while.

That isn't what it says, I'm reading it right now See for yourself

And it stole his soul before he even saw it....I've put the evidence to you, don't ignore it, thats just disrespectful.

Originally posted by Remindme
That isn't what it says, I'm reading it right now See for yourself

And it stole his soul before he even saw it....I've put the evidence to you, don't ignore it, thats just disrespectful.

yes it is what it says, thats the same thing ime reading, the "curse" part?....thats exactley what it says, its soul devouring is limited to beings who have been in contact with it

ignore what evidence?

WoW wiki
Finally the sword is able to suck the being's soul into the sword

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes it is what it says, thats the same thing ime reading, the "curse" part?....thats exactley what it says, its soul devouring is limited to beings who have been in contact with it

ignore what evidence?

Originally posted by Remindme
You are aware it stole his soul before he even saw it?

Burning down the ships, not shivering when the icy winds "cut to the bone", only concerned about revenge.....do these sound like the actions of a man with a soul, who previously only cared for his people?
No, they don't, by not? because his soul was already consumed

The power of Frostmourne is more than what you're making it sound

I didnt ignore it

Originally posted by Burning thought
theres a diffrence between the mind and the soul, his soul is not stolen until he has held the blade for a fairly long while.

thinking his soul is already taken is rubbish because nothing is stated it is, his mind is distorted by the corruption and also the lich kings call, its only his mind, not his soul thats going..his soul isnt fully taken into a long while after, as the curse says, "finally", after a lot of other things have happened, does his soul eventially get completly taken.

Originally posted by Burning thought
true, theory, but its not a bad one since it looks the same as C'thun

Strength: From what I have seen, Ganon. Guy wields huge weapons with ease using one hand, kills Sages with a mere punch, broke mystical chains made by the Sages, and even with one hand crushed the Fused Shadows, immensley powerful artifacts of dark magic.

Speed: Not sure what Arthas' speed is, tho if he can fight one on one with Illidan, he must be fast. Ganon is very fast despite his massive size, can tele, and can fly.

Durability: Ganon, without a doubt in my mind.

Magic: Ganon has always been a master of the Dark Arts, and has only grown more powerful with the Triforce of Power in his possession.

Versatility: Ganon can turn intangible, teleport, shoot firebolts from his hands and mouth, charge said firebolts up and release them, sending mutliple unblockable homing ones, fly, revive the dead, summon monsters, summon Phantom Ganon possibly from the pocket dimension Ganon created, among others.

Reach: Ganon.

Range: Bout equal IMO.

Swordskill: Ganon is thousands of years old, and has always been a master swordsman, hiss style appears to be geared towards power, defense, and brutality. He counters attacks by blocking and dodging, with single, but powerful strikes.

Magic Skill: Ganon, this is a given.

Experience: One is thousands of years old, the other isn't.

Intelligence: If you know anything about both these characters, you know who wins this.

Ganon ftw.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I didnt ignore it

thinking his soul is already taken is rubbish because nothing is stated it is, his mind is distorted by the corruption and also the lich kings call, its only his mind, not his soul thats going..his soul isnt fully taken into a long while after, as the curse says, "finally", after a lot of other things have happened, does his soul eventially get completly taken.

It's the other way round.....not caring for your men isn't a mind corruption, its no soul. He was only focused on revenge, no matter the cost......definatly no soul

Attacking your own kingdom is definatly a mind corruption, though i agree at that point he probably lost his soul too

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
People speculate it may be a member of Cthun's race. Anyway, back to the fight:

Strength: From what I have seen, Ganon. Guy wields huge weapons with ease using one hand, kills Sages with a mere punch, broke mystical chains made by the Sages, and even with one hand crushed the Fused Shadows, immensley powerful artifacts of dark magic.

Speed: Not sure what Arthas' speed is, tho if he can fight one on one with Illidan, he must be fast. Ganon is very fast despite his massive size, can tele, and can fly.

Durability: Ganon, without a doubt in my mind.

Magic: Ganon has always been a master of the Dark Arts, and has only grown more powerful with the Triforce of Power in his possession.

Versatility: Ganon can turn intangible, teleport, shoot firebolts from his hands and mouth, charge said firebolts up and release them, sending mutliple unblockable homing ones, fly, revive the dead, summon monsters, summon Phantom Ganon possibly from the pocket dimension Ganon created, among others.

Reach: Ganon.

Range: Bout equal IMO.

Swordskill: Ganon is thousands of years old, and has always been a master swordsman, hiss style appears to be geared towards power, defense, and brutality. He counters attacks by blocking and dodging, with single, but powerful strikes.

Magic Skill: Ganon, this is a given.

Experience: One is thousands of years old, the other isn't.

Intelligence: If you know anything about both these characters, you know who wins this.

Ganon ftw.

Strength: Ganon

Speed: Equal IMO

Durability: Ganon

Magic: I give this to DK Arthas

Versatility: Equal

Reach/Range: Equal

Sword Skill: Arthas, his mind is connected to the Lich King's who's omniscient

Magic Skill: Same as above, Arthas

Experience: Ganon, though i rate Arthas with more skill, therefore i don't see relevence in this

Intelligence: Arthas' mind is connected to the Lich King's, Thus he was alot more Intelligent that Ganon

Originally posted by Remindme
Strength: Ganon

Speed: Equal IMO

Durability: Ganon

Magic: I give this to DK Arthas

Versatility: Equal

Reach/Range: Equal

Sword Skill: Arthas, his mind is connected to the Lich King's who's omniscient

Magic Skill: Same as above, Arthas

Experience: Ganon, though i rate Arthas with more skill, therefore i don't see relevence in this

Intelligence: Arthas' mind is connected to the Lich King's, Thus he was alot more Intelligent that Ganon

Magic: No. Just no. I would like you to prove this.

Versatility: Arthas' range of powers are far more limited than Ganon's.

Reach: No man, Ganon is a 9' tall giant with a 6-8' long sword, Ganon takes this.

Swordskill: The Lich King IS NOT omniscient. Once again, prove this.

Magic skill: Prove it once again.

Experience: Well I don't.

Intelligence: So the Lich King is automatically smarter than Ganon, why?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Speed: How so? What are his strengths speedwise?

Magic: No. Just no. I would like you to prove this.

Versatility: Arthas' range of powers are far more limited than Ganon's.

Reach: No man, Ganon is a 9' tall giant with a 6-8' long sword, Ganon takes this.

Swordskill: The Lich King IS NOT omniscient. Once again, prove this.

Magic skill: Prove it once again.

Experience: Well I don't.

Intelligence: So the Lich King is automatically smarter than Ganon, why?

Swordskill: your correct, Remindme dont overrate this aspect, he is limited in Omneciance, his mind is possibly knowing mostly all on the planet he is on, but thats the guy himself, wether this will help him at all is unlikely especially since its through the sword communication, nto to menstion, lich king is not in this truthfully is he

intelligence however i would give the lich king for sure, before hes made into the lich king he is a master of knowlede over shaman powers, then infused with darkmagic from kil'jaeden and then eventually his incredible intellect already is increased 10,000 times when he is made the lich king, i dont think ganon according to this his own intellect would mean nothing to the lich king but as i said, lich king isnt in this is he? not to menstion if he can talk to arthas through the sword and thats allowed, his intellect only goes so far in aiding Arthas, Arthas doesnt automatically have all of lich kings powers when he takes the sword does he, nor the intelligence, he can only be spoken to

Originally posted by Burning thought
Swordskill: your correct, Remindme dont overrate this aspect, he is limited in Omneciance, his mind is possibly knowing mostly all on the planet he is on, but thats the guy himself, wether this will help him at all is unlikely especially since its through the sword communication, nto to menstion, lich king is not in this truthfully is he

intelligence however i would give the lich king for sure, before hes made into the lich king he is a master of knowlede over shaman powers, then infused with darkmagic from kil'jaeden and then eventually his incredible intellect already is increased 10,000 times when he is made the lich king, i dont think ganon according to this his own intellect would mean nothing to the lich king but as i said, lich king isnt in this is he? not to menstion if he can talk to arthas through the sword and thats allowed, his intellect only goes so far in aiding Arthas, Arthas doesnt automatically have all of lich kings powers when he takes the sword does he, nor the intelligence, he can only be spoken to

2. Ganon is a master manipulator in LoZ, he infiltrated Hyrule castle, and for a long time posed as an ally, til he had the right time to strike, killing the king, and came into possession of the Triforce of Power. Oftentimes, Link is used as a puppet by Ganon to achieve his goals. In TP, he led Zant to believe he was a god, and lent him some of his power, Ganon used his connection to Zant to exist in the physical world.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Speed: How so? What are his strengths speedwise?

Magic: No. Just no. I would like you to prove this.

Versatility: Arthas' range of powers are far more limited than Ganon's.

Reach: No man, Ganon is a 9' tall giant with a 6-8' long sword, Ganon takes this.

Swordskill: The Lich King IS NOT omniscient. Once again, prove this.

Magic skill: Prove it once again.

Experience: Well I don't.

Intelligence: So the Lich King is automatically smarter than Ganon, why?

Speed: Battling Illidan, I assumed when you said speed, i thought you ment how fast he reacts with his blade. If you're literally talkin about movement, Ganon is obviously faster

Magic: Arthas is a deathknight, he slew a dragon then made it serve him in death.....you know the amount of magic power that takes? even the crypt lord was impressed.

Versatility: True, but he controls the dead so theres alot of potenetial in that aera

Reach/Range: One would assume their spells have the same range.

Swordskill: He has huge psychic power which he uses across the whole of Azeroth to predict and manipulate people's actions.....

Magic skill: Though that's not the definiation to Omniscient, he is so close he may aswell be.

Experience: Well why is this neccessary when we have skill above it? just a question, i agree Ganon is likely more experienced

Intelligence: Immense psychic power....though not the kind that can make your head go boom

Originally posted by Burning thought
Swordskill: your correct, Remindme dont overrate this aspect, he is limited in Omneciance, his mind is possibly knowing mostly all on the planet he is on, but thats the guy himself, wether this will help him at all is unlikely especially since its through the sword communication, nto to menstion, lich king is not in this truthfully is he

Originally posted by Remindme
Mainly a point to back up his defeating Illidan, both considered exception in combat, Illidan being several times Ganon's ages loses to Arthas, I'd say that feat is enough IMO

possibly, i think Illidan>Ganon in almost every way, the guys a powerhouse, ime surprised Arthas took him, shame they didnt go ahead with a video clip instead of in-game cutscene like they were going to do, but i think they said they ran out of time, so a one hit to Illidans chest 🙄 but yeh Arthas beating down Illidan is in itself a powerful opinion to use against Ganon

Originally posted by Burning thought
possibly, i think Illidan>Ganon in almost every way, the guys a powerhouse, ime surprised Arthas took him, shame they didnt go ahead with a video clip instead of in-game cutscene like they were going to do, but i think they said they ran out of time, so a one hit to Illidans chest 🙄 but yeh Arthas beating down Illidan is in itself a powerful opinion to use against Ganon

Hm.....well IMO Ganon is kinda more badass than Illidan ;p

I know, that would have been awesome....plus there are no cinematics with fighting 🙁

I'd have paid extra for the game for that cinematic to be honest

Originally posted by Remindme
Hm.....well IMO Ganon is kinda more badass than Illidan ;p

I know, that would have been awesome....plus there are no cinematics with fighting 🙁

I'd have paid extra for the game for that cinematic to be honest

hmm so would i paid extra

more badass? hmm maybe but more powerful, ime not sure about that

Illidan is a bit of an angry emo..i like him

Originally posted by Remindme
Speed: Battling Illidan, I assumed when you said speed, i thought you ment how fast he reacts with his blade. If you're literally talkin about movement, Ganon is obviously faster

Magic: Arthas is a deathknight, he slew a dragon then made it serve him in death.....you know the amount of magic power that takes? even the crypt lord was impressed.

Versatility: True, but he controls the dead so theres alot of potenetial in that aera

Reach/Range: One would assume their spells have the same range.

Swordskill: He has huge psychic power which he uses across the whole of Azeroth to predict and manipulate people's actions.....

Magic skill: Though that's not the definiation to Omniscient, he is so close he may aswell be.

Experience: Well why is this neccessary when we have skill above it? just a question, i agree Ganon is likely more experienced

Intelligence: Immense psychic power....though not the kind that can make your head go boom

Magic: Ganon creates monsters from scratch, revives powerful long dead dragons, frees powerful malevolent spirits, and sends castles crashing down while near death.

Versatility: And Ganon doesn't?

Reach: Reach is different than range, reach is melee based, range I agree is equal.

Swordskill: The same can be said about Ganon. He is constantly aware of the happenings of Hyrule and uses it to his advantage. Also, this does not prove Arthas is superior in swordskills.

Magic skill: Same.

Experience: That's the thing, I find Ganon to be more skilled.

Intelligence: That does not equate to intel IMO.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Speed: I meant overall, Ganon has tele and can fly, which IMO gives Ganon this.

Magic: Ganon creates monsters from scratch, revives powerful long dead dragons, frees powerful malevolent spirits, and sends castles crashing down while near death.

Versatility: And Ganon doesn't?

Reach: Reach is different than range, reach is melee based, range I agree is equal.

Swordskill: The same can be said about Ganon. He is constantly aware of the happenings of Hyrule and uses it to his advantage. Also, this does not prove Arthas is superior in swordskills.

Magic skill: Same.

Experience: That's the thing, I find Ganon to be more skilled.

Intelligence: That does not equate to intel IMO.

Speed: Meh if you combine them then i guess. But i don't see how movement matters as they both seem to favour sword play

Magic: no counter

Versatility: Not to the extend arthas does

Reach: Reach is different than range, reach is melee based, range I agree is equal.

Swordskill: Illidan Battle, Arthas wins. Illidan duel weilds and is several times Ganon's age, plus was a front line soldier in an inter-plantary war

Magic skill: The connection to the Lich King also grants him part of the Lick King's power, thats how he got the deathknight powers

Experience: Well whatever the skill do i have to keep filling this one in?

Intelligence: Hmm....well it#s not Intel, it's Knowledge, which is near the same, which Arthas pwns Ganon at

Originally posted by Remindme
Speed: Meh if you combine them then i guess. But i don't see how movement matters as they both seem to favour sword play

Magic: no counter

Versatility: Not to the extend arthas does

Reach: Reach is different than range, reach is melee based, range I agree is equal.

Swordskill: Illidan Battle, Arthas wins. Illidan duel weilds and is several times Ganon's age, plus was a front line soldier in an inter-plantary war

Magic skill: The connection to the Lich King also grants him part of the Lick King's power, thats how he got the deathknight powers

Experience: Well whatever the skill do i have to keep filling this one in?

Intelligence: Hmm....well it#s not Intel, it's Knowledge, which is near the same, which Arthas pwns Ganon at

Versatility: Ganon has overfilled the entire town of Hyrule with Redeads, revived the long dead dragon Volvagia and controlled him, and freed the spirit Bongo Bongo to guard the Shadow Temple. Not to mention in TP he was shown summoning wraiths to attacks Link.

Reach:...I just said that.

Swordskill: For one, that is A>B>C logic. Also, how old is Illidan? Ganon is thousands of years old. Ganon lived amond the Gerudo people, who were known for their swordsmanship, and Ganon was well known as the best.

Magic Skill: Ganon has the power of a literal god, the kind that creates worlds and stuff.

Experience: What?

Intelligence: No it isn't, psychic abilities are not knowledge, and Ganon has immense knowledge of sorcery, and has more knowledge on the Triforce than any in the series. He is the smartest person in LoZ.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Speed: Ganon can combine both. He could use magic and swordplay if he wished, can fly, all that jazz. He is overall faster.

Versatility: Ganon has overfilled the entire town of Hyrule with Redeads, revived the long dead dragon Volvagia and controlled him, and freed the spirit Bongo Bongo to guard the Shadow Temple. Not to mention in TP he was shown summoning wraiths to attacks Link.

Reach:...I just said that.

Swordskill: For one, that is A>B>C logic. Also, how old is Illidan? Ganon is thousands of years old. Ganon lived amond the Gerudo people, who were known for their swordsmanship, and Ganon was well known as the best.

Magic Skill: Ganon has the power of a literal god, the kind that creates worlds and stuff.

Experience: What?

Intelligence: No it isn't, psychic abilities are not knowledge, and Ganon has immense knowledge of sorcery, and has more knowledge on the Triforce than any in the series. He is the smartest person in LoZ.

Speed: Ganon

Reflexes: Arthas

Versatility: Arthas is on the Lich Kings side, who controls all of the undead in Azeroth except a minor band lead by sylvannas. Ganon can't comapre to that

Reach: opps sorry must've missed it. Ganon has better reach then. But it's not long enough to provide him with a decont advantage

Swordskill: Illidan.........not exactly sure, probably around 1,200 years or more. I didn't mean to make it abc logic, but rather, you see that fight, and Arthas shows awesome skill in it.

Magic Skill: Is that so? i want proof, the power part of the triforce didn't create the world, it made it a livable habitat

Intelligence: I disagree, using Psychic power the LK prodicted everyone moves with perfect accuracy. Ganon mainpulated people, he didn't basically control their movements as the Lich did. He's like Sidious in the SW movies, behind the scenes from day 1

Ner'Zhul isn't omniscient.. Not even close..

Frostmourne cannot drain a soul upon impact..

Unless Ganon is vournable to dark magic, there isn't much DK Arthas can do.. I'd give this fight to Ganon.. Arthas is more or less a wuss in combat.. Sure, he has his advantages and strength, but I think he'll loose this..

I got too lazy to read trough all your feat listing and comparing stuff, and wont bother..

I got a glimpse of Illidan being mentioned, and he's somewhat 15.000 years old, I think.. Arthas pre-fusion should not be able to bring Illidan bleeding to the ground, but Illidan during the fight bared his defense and gave Arthas an opening..

Illidan > Arthas in plain close-combat 9/10

If this was after the fusion, then Ganon would probably go down.. But Arthas with the mere powers of the deathknight probably wouldn't be capable of it..