Younger Toguro vs. Sasuke

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Sasuke isn't copying his speed. He used his Sharingan to copy his movements, then TRAINED RIGOROUSLY in order to achieve that speed. The Sharingan doesn't enhance your movements or strength in any way, it just copies your opponents movements and then uses that to predict what he's going to do next. But that is useless if the users body can't react fast enough to defend oneself, as lee proved.

Tsk tsk tsk...Sasuke only copied elements of his Taijutsu. He had to train his body to achieve that speed.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Tsk tsk tsk...Sasuke only copied elements of his Taijutsu. He had to train his body to achieve that speed.

Originally posted by Remindme
He copied his Movements

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Exactly, his taijutsu movements. He needed to TRAIN to reach that speed.

Go back, a read it again, no one can believe he's that fast in a mere month.....why is that? because he copied the speed dammit!!

Originally posted by Remindme
Go back, a read it again, no one can believe he's that fast in a mere month.....why is that? because he copied the speed dammit!!

Originally posted by Remindme
1. Wait, what? genkai you mean Yusuke or Toguro? i'm lost ^^'

2. I think he's more than capable of dodging

3. Damn you: Here's Sasuke having copied Lee's Speed

Originally posted by Remindme
So, both can't be seen, Sasuke will have the Sharingan Advantage, putting him ahead.

Sasuke hasn’t even shown speeds that put him on Hiei’s level during the Saint Beasts arc, much less Dark Tournament Hiei. If you actually want to prove Sasuke’s nearly as fast as Toguro, you need to show him actually doing some thing on the same level as YYH characters, because even Kuwabara early in the series has moved so fast that people couldn’t see him.

Originally posted by Remindme
It's not just predict, it basically fortells, since i can't think of a time where it was wrong, bar 1 tail naruto because the demon fox's cloak moved it the opposite direction

Originally posted by Remindme
I think Sasuke will think to dodge projectiles, that just obvious

Originally posted by Remindme
Well a normal human can suruve a sword in the gut, no human on earth has yet to survive a lung being totally destroyed.

And Toguro’s been consistently shown to be more durable than Naruto any way, so it’s pretty moot.

Originally posted by Remindme
Well you're supposed to hold them down, like Kakashi did with his dog squad on Zabuza

Specific point damage, and it was stated it can cut through anything by kakashi or Gai, i can't remember

His spirit gun was easily destroying large boulders (when Genkai showed it), demolishing portions of forests and Toguro still was unaffected for the most part by those blasts. Chidori couldn’t even pierce all the way through a single large rock.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I read it. Might Guy clearly says Kakashi had Sasuke increase his speed.

"Fast! about the same as Lee's starting speed "

"He's about the same speed as ... Lee without the weights "

Come on!!!

Same as lee's starting speed, then same speed as him without the weights, if Sasuke trained his own speed that's pretty damn coincidental isn't it?!

Come on V2D took be the best part of an Hour to find this, the evidence suggest strongly Sasuke copied the speed, i can't believe you're denying that

Originally posted by Accel
He showed that kind of speed because Kakashi was training him in taijutsu that whole month. They even state it in those scans you posted.

Originally posted by Accel
Both not being seen when moving doesn’t put them on the same level of speed. If it did, both would be as fast as DBZ characters.

Originally posted by Accel
Sasuke hasn’t even shown speeds that put him on Hiei’s level during the Saint Beasts arc, much less Dark Tournament Hiei. If you actually want to prove Sasuke’s nearly as fast as Toguro, you need to show him actually doing some thing on the same level as YYH characters, because even Kuwabara early in the series has moved so fast that people couldn’t see him.

Originally posted by Accel
It also requires him to be at least on par of his opponent’s level of speed. If the difference in speed is great enough, it won’t make a difference.

I remind you at this point he oonly has his premature Sharingan, Shippuden he has the mature Sharingan which is much better

Originally posted by Accel
How? To him, it’s just Toguro flicking his thumb. Sasuke won’t even know its damage output until the attack connects and by then it’s already too late.

Originally posted by Accel
A normal human can’t keep a sword in the gut unbothered and then just pop it out like nothing happened.

Originally posted by Accel
And Toguro’s been consistently shown to be more durable than Naruto any way, so it’s pretty moot.

Originally posted by Accel
Which doesn’t change the fact that it hasn’t shown any where near the damage output as Yusuke’s spirit gun. Yusuke’s punches could easily put a crater in the ground and Toguro at 100% was easily blocking those same punches with only his thumb.

Originally posted by Accel
His spirit gun was easily destroying large boulders (when Genkai showed it), demolishing portions of forests and Toguro still was unaffected for the most part by those blasts. Chidori couldn’t even pierce all the way through a single large rock.

As you can see from that video, Sasuke has already defeated stronger, faster, more durable and more experience foes.

Yet Toguro is the same speed with at best until proven otherwise