Originally posted by King_Mungi
Their stated as such, Elder Gods of the night. They don't have many feats as they havn't appeared much. Just recently Tanaraq made 4 Beta Ray Bill level hearlds with no trouble at all. However, they are stated to be skyfather's.That was classic Cyclops who didn't have unlimited energy then. He frequently tired himself out. Also same for classic Havok who wasn't nearly as strong as what he is today.
HE and Loki are not speedster, FAR FAR FAR from it
Wow, clearly you didn't read my posts at all. I never once made a claim on how strong Galactus was there as a I constantly refered to him as weakened. What was important with those scans was the combined team of Avengers/Alpha Flight couldn't do what Mac did with one attack
No I didn't I said MAC'S shields not Heathers were stopped by stronger beings/attacks. I know you like Apoc, but come on.
Loki's not fast? Check out his god damn respect thread then.
And I thought we went by feats and not statements on KMC? Otherwise Apocalypse would've been ranked a lot higher.
And you obviously didn't understand what I meant when I said that the Avengers/Alpha Flight contributed to beating Galactus. When they deal damage to him and weaken him further, it's not like Guardian did it all by himself, now is it? There's a reason why he didn't use his attack first, but waited until they had attacked him.
And Apocalypse is supposedly "vulnerable" to attacks from the Summers bloodline, seeing as only Summers' have been capable of actually dealing any damage to him when he was fully powered.