Originally posted by inimalistNo, me being right was about something I said earlier to him, not what I was discussing with you.
you are right about what?I was explaining the illusion
Unless you are arguing that the image is actually a 3 dimensional figure...
Ya, the shadow is kinda messed up, I could always get it to change direction by looking at the feet, probably for that reason.
Originally posted by inimalist
you are right about what?I was explaining the illusion
Unless you are arguing that the image is actually a 3 dimensional figure...
Ya, the shadow is kinda messed up, I could always get it to change direction by looking at the feet, probably for that reason.
Try this.
Get the image to "move" clockwise. When the outward foot is as you perceive, closest to your face, then look at the shadow cast. You will observe an impossible shadow casting because the toes of the shadow will be pointing to the toes of the figure...impossible IF the image is rotating as you perceive as clockwise.
Now try the same "perception" test when it moves counterclockwise. The shadow casting works just fine.
Since an optical illusion is carefully planned, this means the a person who perceives this as moving clockwise would have to be illogical, and therefore, artistic. The actual intended perception would be counterclockwise. In other words, if someone at first sees the image move clockwise, they did not properly observe the motion. Forget about the shadow being cast, and the logical mind can see it move clockwise.
SUCCESS!!
Originally posted by dadudemonActually the shadow can still work if the shadow is spinning opposite. It's a refraction thing I think.
Try this.Get the image to "move" clockwise. When the outward foot is as you perceive, closest to your face, then look at the shadow cast. You will observe an impossible shadow casting because the toes of the shadow will be pointing to the toes of the figure...impossible IF the image is rotating as you perceive as clockwise.
Now try the same "perception" test when it moves counterclockwise. The shadow casting works just fine.
Since an optical illusion is carefully planned, this means the a person who perceives this as moving clockwise would have to be illogical, and therefore, artistic. The actual intended perception would be counterclockwise. In other words, if someone at first sees the image move clockwise, they did not properly observe the motion. Forget about the shadow being cast, and the logical mind can see it move clockwise.
SUCCESS!!
Originally posted by inimalist
Id agree with everything you said except for the illogical/artistic part.No part of the illusion has anything to do with your personality
I think that only someone who has high observational skills would be able to notice that there is a shadow impossibility when spinning clockwise...lending itself to logical trait. That's my opinion and you are the professional so really, whatever you say I just have to go with it.
Originally posted by inimalist
the woman isn't actually spinning in either direction, the fact that it looks that way is because our brains are remarkably good at picking up what looks like biological motion.
That's why I was able to...
Originally posted by Mindship
...make her sweep her lifted leg back and forth.
Here's something the curious can try: With the girl, watch her for a while. Don't try to change her direction, just note which direction she's going in. Then go do something else for a few minutes (answer a post, google up stuff, pee). Come back and look at the girl again, and note quickly which direction she's spinning in.
Do this a few times. Is your perception of the girl consistent or not (ie, is she always spinning in the same direction)?
Originally posted by dadudemonIt moves clockwise, but the shadow makes you think otherwise.
Try this.Get the image to "move" clockwise. When the outward foot is as you perceive, closest to your face, then look at the shadow cast. You will observe an impossible shadow casting because the toes of the shadow will be pointing to the toes of the figure...impossible IF the image is rotating as you perceive as clockwise.
Now try the same "perception" test when it moves counterclockwise. The shadow casting works just fine.
Since an optical illusion is carefully planned, this means the a person who perceives this as moving clockwise would have to be illogical, and therefore, artistic. The actual intended perception would be counterclockwise. In other words, if someone at first sees the image move clockwise, they did not properly observe the motion. Forget about the shadow being cast, and the logical mind can see it move clockwise.
SUCCESS!!
Originally posted by MindshipThat girl can spin in any direction and swing from side to side, even seem to point her toe. When I first clicked on her, I wasn't directly looking at her though. The other thing you posted just swings from side to side.
That's why I was able to...It reminded me of this...
http://www.sandlotscience.com/Distortions/Ames_Trapezoid.htmHere's something the curious can try: With the girl, watch her for a while. Don't try to change her direction, just note which direction she's going in. Then go do something else for a few minutes (answer a post, google up stuff, pee). Come back and look at the girl again, and note quickly which direction she's spinning in.
Do this a few times. Is your perception of the girl consistent or not (ie, is she always spinning in the same direction)?
And I take offence to the illogical/artistic thingie mentioned.... 😠 lol
Originally posted by inimalist
ya, it should be simple to make the girl turn in either direction, like my link above says, the type of "folk" psychology with the left and right brain is entirely baseless.All in all, one of my favorite illusions now.
All psychology is folk.
(Tell that to debbiejo, also).
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It doesn't actually go anti-clockwise. The only way it appears to is when you aren't looking properly. It's just a simple illusion.Anyone for whom it initially spins anti-clockwise, is, let's be honest here, an idiot.
If one logically follows the shadow cast by the "pointing" foot, it will always go counterclockwise. The image, however, can appear to move either direction because it is an illusion.
Originally posted by debbiejo
That girl can spin in any direction and swing from side to side, even seem to point her toe. When I first clicked on her, I wasn't directly looking at her though. The other thing you posted just swings from side to side.And I take offence to the illogical/artistic thingie mentioned.... 😠 lol
I did not mean artistic people are illogical...lol...
I was trying to show that if you don't use logic with the shadows and you see it move clockwise, then you are artistic (stated by the author/s). It didn't come out right. I meant that if you don't following the image logically (in other words, follow the image illogically), then by the creators definition, you are artistic. I was really trying to justify why the creator/s made those statements about logic and art.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If one logically follows the shadow cast by the "pointing" foot, it will always go counterclockwise. The image, however, can appear to move either direction because it is an illusion.
I noticed that various bits conflict.
Try to make the head alone (cover the rest) move in a way that your brain believes is anti-clockwise.
Tell me if you can.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well there are different kinds though.
Yes, your kinds are folk.
Originally posted by debbiejoThis is true. But the point of the experiment was to see what you personally would experience in terms of any consistency.
That girl can spin in any direction and swing from side to side, even seem to point her toe. When I first clicked on her, I wasn't directly looking at her though.
The other thing you posted just swings from side to side.That's the point of the illusion. It's really rotating.