House Of M In DC

Originally posted by Mr Master
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The 616 Reality was untouched,
because that's where Wanda was spewing her power from into the Omniverse
yet, in the end, even that was going to be thrown into the mush.

The way I read it 616 was untouched by the chaos wave because of the combined efforts of Brian, Meggan, Betsy and Rachel. They halted the wave and reality fixed itself by closing the tear. There is no evidence that states she has the power to generate chaos waves at will, but there is evidence that points to the chaos wave being generated because her warps caused a butterfly affect. 616 was the waves point of origin, but it was still on its way back there and would have caused it to crash just like everything else whether she was there or not.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The way I read it 616 was untouched by the chaos wave because of the combined efforts of Brian, Meggan, Betsy and Rachel.

Actually, that was at the end of the series,
when the rest of the Omniverse was collapsed.

The only reason Reality 58163 (a completely Warped 616 Universe)
courtesy of Wanda,
was because for the entire time that's where Wanda's Power (Chaos Wave) was pouring from.

In the end, yes, it was headed back to Reality 58163 (I mentioned that)
That's when Brian & company came into play.

Originally posted by LordKaos
They halted the wave and reality fixed itself by closing the tear.

Reality only closed the tear,
Wanda was the one that Re-created everything back to its normality,
with the exception of a few changes.

Originally posted by LordKaos
There is no evidence that states she has the power to generate chaos waves at will,

There's like ridiculous evidence
that clearly points to Wanda generating and fueling the Wave,
subconsciously I'll submit.

But it was Wanda's power nonetheless, spewing out of Reality 58163 (616)
which was engulfed in her Warp. (hence, her Warp was crashing UniverseS)
All of them in fact, with crazy amounts of evidence.

Originally posted by LordKaos
but there is evidence that points to the chaos wave being generated because her warps caused a butterfly affect.

I disagree completely.

Originally posted by LordKaos
616 was the waves point of origin, but it was still on its way back there and would have caused it to crash just like everything else whether she was there or not.

True, but I bet Wanda wouldn't have been hurt by her own power though. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, that was at the end of the series,
when the rest of the Omniverse was collapsed.

The only reason Reality 58163 (a completely Warped 616 Universe)
courtesy of Wanda,
was because for the entire time that's where Wanda's Power (Chaos Wave) was pouring from.

In the end, yes, it was headed back to Reality 58163 (I mentioned that)
That's when Brian & company came into play.

Reality only closed the tear,
Wanda was the one that Re-created everything back to its normality,
with the exception of a few changes.

There's like ridiculous evidence
that clearly points to Wanda generating and fueling the Wave,
subconsciously I'll submit.

But it was Wanda's power nonetheless, spewing out of Reality 58163 (616)
which was engulfed in her Warp. (hence, her Warp was crashing UniverseS)
All of them in fact, with crazy amounts of evidence.

I disagree completely.

True, but I bet Wanda wouldn't have been hurt by her own power though. 🙂

Why does it matter when it happened? Point being that neither Wandas presence nor the origin of the wave kept 616 from being untouched it was the combined efforts of Meggan, Brian, Betsy (Nocturne) and Rachel that made sure 616 was not touched by the wave.

I said that reality fixed itself by closing the tear, meaning the tear in it's fabric, that comment has nothing to do with any warping that took place after the wave was halted. When has reality ever resisted the power of a reality warper?

The only evidence I saw was that Wandas actions created a tear that made one reality bleed into the next breaking through the walls that separate them, like a ripple effect. If she were fueling the wave, then why when it met resistance in the form of Meggan and then reality sealing itself did it not just crash through like it did everything else? Meggan was able to reduce the momentum of the wave so that it did not have the power to break through the newly sealed 616 wall, if she was supplying power even subconsciously then the wave would have burst through even if it lost momentum, it would have hit the wall of 616 and built up until it could burst through, it didn't because although she was responsible for it's creation she was not sustaining it, chaos theory and the butterfly effect were.

The fact that you disagree is obvious.

IMO the full force of the wave was not her power (see above) and whether she would have survived it is irrelevant. 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos
Why does it matter when it happened? Point being that neither Wandas presence nor the origin of the wave kept 616 from being untouched it was the combined efforts of Meggan, Brian, Betsy (Nocturne) and Rachel that made sure 616 was not touched by the wave.

Wanda was the origin of the Wave
(created in her intitial global Warp)
Wanda created the Wave
(it was simply her power pouring into the Omniverse through the Tear)
Wanda was fueling the Wave
(subconsciously as stated in many Bios)
Wanda reverted the Wave
(when she Re-created the Omniverse)

But I agree, Brian & company (mostly Meggan) slowed the Wave down for just a moment.
Enough time for Rachel, Brian and Betsy to close the tear as much as they could,
the tear then was completely closed by Reality itself.

But, the only reason the Wave did not touch 616 during the entire saga,
was because that's where Wanda's power from spewing from.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I said that reality fixed itself by closing the tear, meaning the tear in it's fabric, that comment has nothing to do with any warping that took place after the wave was halted. When has reality ever resisted the power of a reality warper?

Cool.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The only evidence I saw was that Wandas actions created a tear that made one reality bleed into the next breaking through the walls that separate them, like a ripple effect.

I not only saw it different than that, but evidently so did Marvel.

I'll be posting all the evidence in just a sec.

Originally posted by LordKaos
If she were fueling the wave, then why when it met resistance in the form of Meggan and then reality sealing itself did it not just crash through like it did everything else?

The arc had to end at some point. 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos
Meggan was able to reduce the momentum of the wave so that it did not have the power to break through the newly sealed 616 wall,

I'll agree with this. (I've stated this before)

Originally posted by LordKaos
if she was supplying power even subconsciously then the wave would have burst through even if it lost momentum, it would have hit the wall of 616 and built up until it could burst through, it didn't because although she was responsible for it's creation she was not sustaining it, chaos theory and the butterfly effect were.

I strongly disagree with this though.

Wanda was the power behind the Wave, according to Marvel.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The fact that you disagree is obvious.

No doubt, I can only agree with what Marvel says.
And if you state something that Marvel states, then I'll agree likewise.

Originally posted by LordKaos
IMO the full force of the wave was not her power (see above)

I did, and I disagree.

Originally posted by LordKaos
and whether she would have survived it is irrelevant.

Cool, but she would have, considering it was her own power.

Here's my evidence LK:

I recently discussed this in my thread, so I'll just re-post my take on it here.

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The Chaos Wave brought back Jaspers 616 from another Plane of Reality (death)

This exact moment was retold in "X-Men Die by the Sword"

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This same Chaos Wave Remade the Omniverse with several differences:
(Jaspers came back, a new Layla Miller was created and "No More Mutants" ...
well, 90% of them anyway ... amongst other things)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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The question is, who produced this Chaos/Reality Wave?

The Chaos Wave is referred to as "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"
in the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe v5 2006.

In THREE separate Bios

1.

(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)

"During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp,
Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"

2.

And as I presented above,
it was the Chaos Wave that manifested Jaspers 616 from another Plane.
(he was dead)

"Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"

3.

Wanda re-created Layla and gave her the power to
"Perceive Divergent Realities"

"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"
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These are few examples but there's even more for those hard headed cats.

Exoduscloak has been wipping butts with overwhelming on panel proof,
in more recent blatant references to Wanda.

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Here's a few more on panel though for the moment:

With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

Balasco from his Realm sees Two siblings (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

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Continues in the next post ...

While there's no scan that specifically states "she was controlling and fueling it"

We know she was because that's what the bio blatantly suggests.

I mean,
if the Chaos Wave on panel revived Jaspers,
and Three separate bios are stating that,
Jaspers was revived by the "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

What does that tell you?

Obviously that the Chaos Wave = Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp.
(Her Power in action)
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But I guess these scans might add to that a bit:

(These scans are from the very beginning of HOM)

Here Roma speaks about Wanda's initial Warp which was Global:
(It then spread across the 616 Universe and warped it into Reality 58163)

We are witnessing a Trans-Temporal Tsunami (Chaos Wave)
Originating from Earth 616"
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The definition of Originate is "Have a specific beginning ... Create"
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Roma knows it's coming from 616 (where coincidentally Wanda is)
but she doesn't know what's actually causing the Wave:

"The localized affects are so severe I am unable to ascertain the cause"
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What she does know, is that it's a "Chaos Wave" and,
it's expanding through a "Breach" withIN the 616 Reality:

"Until the Breach itself is sealed, this Chaos Wave will keep expanding"

"Chaos Wave" (another coincidence that Wanda's power is "Chaos Magic"😉 🙂
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Cool, so we know it was created in 616,
we know it's pouring into the Omniverse from 616,
so what's going on in 616?
Who's power is over-writing 616?

(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld
when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...

Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616
to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"
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Here is that scene On Panel,

Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

"Your Dimension is a Cancer,
bringing Devastation to Branes ALL Along the Sidereal String ...
Sparing Yours condemns the Rest"
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Also,
ExodusCloak has done a fine job finding many recent references
to Wanda being responsible (as in it was her power) for cracking the Omniverse.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=425178&pagenumber=5

Or in other words, applying the Chaos Wave (her power) to Re-Create the Omniverse.

Ever heard the phrase, "seek and you shall find?" 🙂

Well it can be true.

This was sitting in my lap all along.
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In plain english!

Nightcrawler tells Cyclops,

"Rachel mentioned something from her dream
about a powerful 'Chaos Wave'
Scott, what's going on Just what are we dealing with here? ... "

Scott responds,

"Good Lord, Wanda, what else have YOU done to us?"

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I rest my case. Night yall.

The question was never who produced the wave, the question was after the wave was produced was the power behind it Wanda "spewing" her power outwards, nothing in those scans say she fueled the wave or controlled it. It's not a coincidence it was called a chaos wave, it was a wave of chaos, at the time when Roma referred to it as a chaos wave she had no idea Wanda was involved so she called it that because of it's nature not it's origin. You seem to be under the impression that I think wanda was not initially responsible for the wave, I don't believe she was fueling it after her global warp. Had it not been for the tear due to her tampering with reality in the first place then her reality warp would have been localized to 616 and there would have been no spill over into other realities. In uncanny 462 when Meggan and Brian were swept through the realities that were being affected all the energy was moving outward as if her initial warp spilled out and was causing a butterfly effect sweeping one reality into another giving the wave perpetual motion. It all started out as a reality warp that due to a tear was force outwards from it's point of origin, causing the chaos wave which was forcibly merging everything by tearing down walls causing realities to merge thus warping them. Like I said before if she was spewing forth energy then it would not have been stopped. Saying that it would not have reached 616 because she was there is reaching considering it was on it's way back to where she was and other people had to stop it. It seemed to me that she was content with the warp she created and had every intention of leaving the world the way it was. If she was the power behind the wave then why would she not have sealed the tear herself, I believe because she had no idea what was going on outside her warp, subconsciously or otherwise. I'll ask again, if she was the power behind the wave and not just the catalyst then why would something that was crashing through every other wall in the omniverse suddenly stop when the leak was plugged? I say this to say Wanda w/chaos wave is a ridiculous notion in forum battles unless you set up all the special circumstances that contributed to the wave, insanity, a tear in reality and the fact that it appeared that the wave had to double back to 616 after it was created. Not to mention there is no evidence that she had any control over the wave to use it against anybody in a battle. I'll destroy you with my chaos wave as soon as it rips through the omniverse and doubles back, I'm not buying it. She is powerful I have no doubt, but she ain't making chaos waves as casually as she makes hex bolts. Show me the bio where it says she fueled it, then show me where she re-created the omniverse because the wave did all the work and even after all the destruction and re-arranging reality eventually fixed itself. Her warp was for earth only and the tear caused it to expand beyond its borders into the next reality, causing one to overlap the other forcing realities to pour outside of their designated time/space coordinates into others ad infinitum.
I have no idea what the scans of MJJ have to do with anything. He's a powerful reality warper reality reset itself and he remained that doesn't seem out of the ordinary. They way you talk about him he should have never died in the first place.

LMAO @ such a large response. none

Originally posted by Galan007
LMAO @ such a large response. none

😕 I had a lot to say