North american union

Originally posted by Robtard
I have a question... for the "enlightened" few who know that this is the plan and that it is currently being implemented by the "elites", what are they (you) doing about it? How are they (you) stopping it?

Seriously, if nothing can be done/is being done, it's little better than telling people they're five feet away from a nuclear warhead, that's going to detonate in the next 30 seconds.

Yep, that attitude got people very far.

The masses always have the power; it is just a matter of incentive and making it matter to people.

precisely. why is that so hard to grasp for some people.

the people at the top can continue to stay there as long as we hold them there at the bottom

Okay, so no freedom and we'll be slaves. Now all we need is for you to tell us how that works. One world government = no freedoms and slavery, but 200 governments = freedom. How?

This thread is coming from a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, so their opinion is automatically void.

Originally posted by Devil King
Okay, so no freedom and we'll be slaves. Now all we need is for you to tell us how that works. One world government = no freedoms and slavery, but 200 governments = freedom. How?

No one is saying their is some universal freedom in which all people will receive equal treatment because that is impossible in application.

One world government is not a good idea for a variety of reasons. Way too many different cultures and the such. Like my sig says, "One law for the ox and the lion is oppression."

There are plenty of reasons it is not a good idea but I'm not even going that far was world domination but NO ONE IS GIVING A VALID REASON FOR THE NAU OR FOR NOT TELLING ANYONE. I made a topic not long ago asking about it and it got looked over. I am never quick to extreme conclusions on anything, but it is a subject no one will touch and no one can explain the reason behind the NAU or the secrecy behind it.

I asked for some valid points long ago. All I get back is the jig dance. 💃

Originally posted by chithappens
No one is saying their is some universal freedom in which all people will receive equal treatment because that is impossible in application.

Okay, so how will we all end up as slaves?

Originally posted by Devil King
Okay, so how will we all end up as slaves?

Damn. Read my posts and stop taking it out of context. I have not even talked about all that microchip crap because I'm skeptical of anything that extreme.

Originally posted by chithappens
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One world government is not a good idea for a variety of reasons. Way too many different cultures and the such. Like my sig says, "One law for the ox and the lion is oppression."

There are plenty of reasons it is not a good idea but I'm not even going that far was world domination but NO ONE IS GIVING A VALID REASON FOR THE NAU OR FOR NOT TELLING ANYONE. I made a topic not long ago asking about it and it got looked over. I am never quick to extreme conclusions on anything, but it is a subject no one will touch and no one can explain the reason behind the NAU or the secrecy behind it.

I asked for some valid points long ago. All I get back is the jig dance. 💃

Originally posted by chithappens
Yep, that attitude got people very far.

The masses always have the power; it is just a matter of incentive and making it matter to people.

What attitude? I posed the question; it's a fair question too. So, what are the few "enlightened" ones (like Deano & maybe yourself?) doing about it?

Originally posted by Deano
precisely. why is that so hard to grasp for some people.

the people at the top can continue to stay there as long as we hold them there at the bottom

So, care to answer my question? What are you and the other few who know the truth doing about it? What can be done? What is being done?

You just seem incredibly cynical that people ever get anything done. I'm not enlightened. That's why I keep asking questions but no one is answering me. :-(

Originally posted by chithappens
You just seem incredibly cynical that people ever get anything done. I'm not enlightened. That's why I keep asking questions but no one is answering me. :-(

I am cynical... it comes with age; that is besides the point.

Deano post threads like this, he'll call anyone that questions the (his) claims a "sheep". So, that is why I asked what they/he are doing about it?

Originally posted by chithappens
Damn. Read my posts and stop taking it out of context. I have not even talked about all that microchip crap because I'm skeptical of anything that extreme.

If you feel the need to answer a question directed at Deano, then you have to expect people to assume you have some idea of what he's talking about.

There are plenty of reasons it is not a good idea but I'm not even going that far was world domination

such as?

Originally posted by Devil King
If you feel the need to answer a question directed at Deano, then you have to expect people to assume you have some idea of what he's talking about.

such as?

You might be familiar with Thomas Carlyle. During the Victorian Era he discusses what liberty is (this is in from Democracy). An excerpt:

Every stupid, every cowardly and foolish man is but a less palpable madman: his true liberty were that a wiser man, that any and every wiser man, could, by brass collars (chit note: this is an obvious note to "savages" such as the Africans and Native Americans), or in whatever milder or sharper way, lay hold of him when he was going wrong, and order and compel him to go a little righter.

*Had to actually type that. I hate reading books sometimes...

This represents one of the problems. Different ancient philosophers used to discuss what would be the best sort of government for nation-state. The most noted example is often The Republic. They talk about having philosopher-kings (basically wise men who would somehow never be tempted, not sure how they would not be tempted or swayed but yea...) and stuff like that because they understand the right way to go about things all of that. This might work for a single nation but not multiple nations and certainly not the entire world.

You could force people to all do the same thing and believe the same thing but that is not liberty. Heart in the right place? Maybe. Justifiable? No.

If another reason is needed I can provide more.

Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

I suggest really looking into the Myths and Facts section:

SPP Official (Myths vs. Facts)

They do not really explain anything in detail. I will show more as my research turns up more.

Thank you for at least trying to answer the question. Now, all I'd like is for you to put in in your own words. People who contribute on the conspiracy side of the argument tend to rely on the copy&paste approach, rather than digesting the information and relaying it with their own logic.

I've been actually really looking into this for a while. The problem is that major news outlets do not cover this at all.

The other problem was the title "North American Union." They call it "Security and Prosperity Partnership" (SPP). I can not find a moderate view at all on this though - extremely radical or extremely conservative. After reading about this for about a week I am beginning to understand the ramifications of this entire thing, but what is creepy is the government deniability here. This is because nothing is really being put into writing and when they do formally suggest something it is rejected:

House Rejects Request for Super Highway

I'll give more once I have a complete, comprehensive idea of how to present this.

Edit: Idaho Rejects SPP

I meant to include this at first

Originally posted by chithappens
I've been actually really looking into this for a while. The problem is that major news outlets do not cover this at all.

But that is my point. Most people who take up the reigns on teh the conspiracy side of the debate have been researching this stuff for some time, but they never seem to be able to put it in their own words. Once they do that, the links and copy and paste approach should be used to substantiate their claims.

This rarely happens, and Deano never puts it in his own words.

Please note also that I never, ever wanted to go straight to the conspiracy stage - that stigma was placed on me during the discussion which is what pissed me off. No one could tell me anything about it, but was willing to say I claimed they are uniting all governments which I never said. I just wanted to know what it was. Questions were asked by me and accusations were made unjustifiably. I have not even took into account the whole "unite the unions" thing while looking into this. That's macro compared to what I'm focusing on.

Deano never puts it into his own words - that we certainly agree on.

Caribbean SPP...

I'm not sure what this entails yet but I will come back to this. Somehow, this is all related

Jeez, someone should have mentioned this to the Canadians...

I wonder what a south american union tastes like? It probably goes well with the southwestern burger.