Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Since a theory is pretty much a guess, why is ID invalid?
Because it cannot be disproved.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because it cannot be disproved.
So that's what invalidates a theory?
There's a million theories (guesses) as to who killed JFK, but are they all invalid or "crap" just because no one will ever know for sure?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So that's what invalidates a theory?There's a million theories (guesses) as to who killed JFK, but are they all invalid or "crap" just because no one will ever know for sure?
I don't think it's a point of knowing for sure. Any theory about the death of JFK could be right or wrong, but they would still be a good theory if they in principle could be falsifiable. If in the future our technology allows us to eliminate some or all the current theories, what is left would be the truth. However, the very nature of ID can never be disproved because it deals with something that is outside of science. ID is a religious belief and not a theory.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So that's what invalidates a theory?There's a million theories (guesses) as to who killed JFK, but are they all invalid or "crap" just because no one will ever know for sure?
Please don't confuse "scientific theory" with "cockamanie theory." A scientific theory is a proven model. Theory of Gravity. Theory of Evolution. Etc.
What you're actually referring to, in scientific terms, are hypothesis and wild-ass guesses. A scientific theory is NEVER a guess.
ID is not a scientific question.
Originally posted by Alliance
Please don't confuse "scientific theory" with "cockamanie theory." A scientific theory is a proven model. Theory of Gravity. Theory of Evolution. Etc.What you're actually referring to, in scientific terms, are hypothesis and wild-ass guesses. A scientific theory is NEVER a guess.
ID is not a scientific question.
A thoery IS a guess. A scientific law is nothing but a guess that turned out to be right.
Why is ID not scientific? It's a guess like evolution.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you missed my point.
Why does ID exist oustide of science? Science is concerned with finding out things exists right? Cryptozoology is all about finding beings that are only rumored or believed to exist. You know, the gorilla was laughed at by scientists until it was proven to exist in 1902.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
A thoery IS a guess. A scientific law is nothing but a guess that turned out to be right.Why is ID not scientific? It's a guess like evolution.
Why? because you're so damn knowledgable to know? I'm sure you can tell me how quantum mechanics and electron orbital hybridization theories are wrong too?
1. Scientific terms do not mena the same things as fun little everyday definitions. Scientific word have specific denotations that may not extend to the common sphere and viece versa. A scientific theory is NOT a guess, no matter what your second grade definition of "theory" is.
A hypothesis is an eduvated guess (ie. based on facts). A THEORY (in science) is a testable model or conceptualization of a set of phenomena (ie. many proven and related hypotheses) A LAW (in science) is an absolute description.
Theories are often larger than laws (little simple equations etc.)
Evolution is not a guess, it is a synthesis of observation and proved hypothesis.
ID is not a theory because it is not testable, not based on fact, and not falsifiable. ID is not sceintific because it is not based on fact.
Understand now?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why does ID exist oustide of science? Science is concerned with finding out things exists right? Cryptozoology is all about finding beings that are only rumored or believed to exist. You know, the gorilla was laughed at by scientists until it was proven to exist in 1902.
The biblical god is out side of the natural universe. Science is based upon observations of the natural world. If the biblical god is out side of the natural universe, then science cannot make observations about this god.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The biblical god is out side of the natural universe. Science is based upon observations of the natural world. If the biblical god is out side of the natural universe, then science cannot make observations about this god.
ID doesn't mean or stand for the biblical god.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Since a theory is pretty much a guess, why is ID invalid?
Because it's not backed at all by scientific evidence.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
The mass quantity of bitchery in this thread makes me happy.BAAWWWW EVOLUTION BAWWWW
There's intelligent discourse in this thread, and also a fair amount of spam, but that goes for most of KMC. Quit acting like a child.