Flash is an overpowered fagget 😄. He was simply fast till they add shit like infinite mass punch. What about Sentry, Hulk, Juggernaut 😄. What can he do to Sentry =/.
And there's also his bull shit speed stealing his abillity to "give" speed, his time travel, his speed aura which is one of the dumbest things, accelerated healing factor running fast should not equal increased speed in bodily functions, Uber brain crap, his abillity to be a DC character 😄 (Alot of DC characters are moon busters). And all the other shit in an attempt the make him godly.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I bet anyone here could beat the Flash to the moon if they though of it. My point is that that speed of thought is faster than the Flash is. Xavier could pull his mind nto the Astral plane and deal with him. The Shadow king would devour his mind altogether, before he could even begin to run.
The speed of thought is actually not quite that fast (although it is very fast, it is not comic book fast). It is, essentially, the speed of an impulse through a neuron.
The fastest impulse speed is 120 meters per second in a neuron. That is VERY fast, but compare that with the speed of light in meters per second (299 792 458 m / s).
Then you can see the MAJOR difference therein.
But, you will probably say we are talking about comics.
Well then, take Superman Red Son. When faced against a legion of green lanterns he basically took them out, even though they had managed to entrap him using their rings. He told them their attack was folly because they were using thought-based weapons, yet he could move TEN TIMES faster than the speed of thought. That is Superman.
But, you'll probably say one of two things. One is that Red Son Superman was an older version of Superman, thus had absorbed more solar energy and was more powerful (something Luthor does allude to in the comic), and the second is to question whether the comic is canon.
To counter the first counter would be as follows .....Flash is faster than any Superman (unless we start going into Pre-Crisis days), thus it doesn't matter whether Superman is young, middle-aged or living off social security.
The second counter is just as easy ....even if you take away Superman Red Son, there is an event in MArvel Comics that makes my point just as easily (and to even greater effect).
It involves Quicksilver and Exodus.
Nopw, Exodus is one of the more powerful mutants out there ....magneto's scion for a while. With abundant powers of telekinesis, telepathy and the like. Enough to even engage a celestial, and almost crush an island with his mind.
Yet he was faced against QuickSilver ....a mutant whose ability (at least then) was simply running fast. None of the SpeedForce 'extras' that the Flash has.
What happened when the two met ....Exodus couldn't get a lock on Quicksilver, no matter how he tried. And when he tried to do a 360 approach QS simply left the scene, then came back and clocked Exodus.
Note: QS is NOWHERE as fast as the Flash is. That QuickSilver and current Flash is like comparing opposite ends of the spectrum. Yet QS literally pwned Exodus, one of the premier psi-users in Marvel, and did so with abundant ease.
Now, i am not saying that the Flash would take over Marvel Earth (he would be stopped in my opinion, but not before killing virtually everyone who is not above a certain power thresh hold .....look at the ease that Zombie QuickSilver turned the world, and again ....QS' speed is nothing compared to the Flash's).
What i am emphasising is that the 'speed of thought' is nothing to a Speedforce user (and goodness help you if the Flash merges with the Speedforce .....then he could easily take over Marvel and DC earth unless certain Deux Ex machina characters ....like Strange and his bag of PIS ....are at hand to stop him).
A Flash that is not holding back is beyond speed. Someone should post the scan of him rescuing 500,000 people dispersed througout a city, and transporting them in 2s and 3s a couple hundred miles away ....and doing all this in a fraction of a second while a nuclear bomb is going off (and note: he has to search for those people in the city). That Flash had not even merged with the speed force. Yet he did that ....and it was canon.
So was when he took the entire planetary momentum and made the world stop. That was also canon.
Kingdom Come/Kingdom is questionable on whether it is canon or not, but the key thing about it is that in it the Flash had basically merged with the Speed Force. What happened? He was basically everywhere at the same time (and not just everywhere, but also in several dimensions at the same time ....capable of even pulling out people watching from a different dimension - i.e. the old guy who was being shown what was going on).
Now, a KMC Flash who is not holding back going against Prof. X would simply equal mutant brain mush spread over at least 4 continents (if not all of them).
The 'speed of thought' is not as fast as some think it is.
Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
Flash is an overpowered fagget 😄. He was simply fast till they add shit like infinite mass punch. What about Sentry, Hulk, Juggernaut 😄. What can he do to Sentry =/.And there's also his bull shit speed stealing his abillity to "give" speed, his time travel, his speed aura which is one of the dumbest things, accelerated healing factor running fast should not equal increased speed in bodily functions, Uber brain crap, his abillity to be a DC character 😄 (Alot of DC characters are moon busters). And all the other shit in an attempt the make him godly.
Uhmmm...
I assume by fagget, you are actually merely a homophobic imbecile who can't even spell his insults correctly and meant ******. In which case, I'd love to know which issue they changed Wally's sexuality, because as far as I can remember, he's married with kids....
The Flash would very easily stomp the Sentry and the Hulk - even without using some of the more exotic tricks like speed steals, speed force dumps, and healing.
WITH them, it's asinine to even consider them in a fight.
The Juggernaut's the Juggernaut, can't really be hurt beyond a bfr (which the Flash is plenty capable of delivering), but one thing's for sure - the Juggernaut won't be touching the Flash.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
still, no speed force in marvel. so falsh gets slaped silly by every hero on earth
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