Jerry West was a 2 guard by the way, one of the best in history.
Kidd is a rare kind of PG that can get a triple double in his sleep, he rebounds like a PF and has that quality that you cant teach where he knows where all his guys are at all times. Thats how some of his highlight passes come off, his teammates know that if they cut to the hoop even if he isnt looking at them he still knows where they are and will find them (no wonder everyone wants to play with him). His only weakness is outside shooting, you can still leave him out by the 3pt line and know he isnt gonna hurt you.
I think its pretty even between Kidd and Nash as far as top PG in the league today, Nash is a great shooter but a terrible defender and Kidd is the opposite. Everything else between them is pretty even except rebounding.
Magic is the greatest PG of all time imo, just the mismatch he creates is almost cause enough. He could back his man down and score all day and if he was doubled then it was a dunk for one of his teammates. He could play fast break or half court, post up or take you off the dribble. He even became a steady outside shooter later in his career with his shot put release. His only real weakness was that he wasnt a great man defender but he was able to cause problems because of his length and he played the passing lanes very well.
My top 5 PG's
1. Magic 2. Robertson 3. Isiah 4. Stockton 5. Kidd
Originally posted by vandalworksand the racial card is played.....
i think steve nash is better offensively than gp, but i'd take gp over nashty at their primes any day. gp's defense was fantastic. i like steve nash as a player, but i think hes been overrated a little by the media. possibly because hes white.
Originally posted by vandalworks
there is racism in the league though. i do think that people are looking for the next white hype, which is why people have latched onto steve nash as the next big thing. but i wouldnt put him top five players in the nba. i'm not even sure if hes the best white player in the nba.
Originally posted by zjtrivium
well he's definitely the best white player in the league that cant dunk... which gets narrowed down to him and jj reddick. but still, nash would be viewed the same even if he was black, a good player is a good player. and im tired of people talking different about athletes just because of their skin color, its stupid. athletes need to be judged by how good they are, not by genetics.
oh i agree wholeheartedly. i was just saying that from a league and media point of view, i think a lot of the people involved there have that mentality. and its sad. i think nash is a great player but i'm unsure he warranted two straight mvps.
Originally posted by vandalworks
oh i agree wholeheartedly. i was just saying that from a league and media point of view, i think a lot of the people involved there have that mentality. and its sad. i think nash is a great player but i'm unsure he warranted two straight mvps.
Cosigned. And, I'm white!
I don't even think he deserved one! Let's look at this objectively too. And this is not Kobe crusade either. ..just using him as an example to illustrate a point.
I take Nash off the Suns-they're still going to the playoffs the last 2 years w/o him.
I take Kobe off the Lakers-the Blue Devils or Tarheels would give them a game.
Originally posted by vandalworks
i'm white also. dont forget that!i think with the mvp thing, yes, kobe was more important to his team, but they did have a worse record. i think that goes some way in the voters mind as to who should get the mvp. i do think lebron should have been mvp last year, his numbers were fantastic.
They use this overall efficiency rating + team record to determine MVP.
It's really convoluted and stupid BUT it's also the reason why just about every team in the NBA is hesitant to pull the trigger on a Kobe trade since his rating is barely in the top 10
And I'd also like to point out that using their formula
Kidd > Bryant
and that makes me
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Originally posted by vandalworks
i dont think so, i think its more than just that. itsd their importance to the team, their stats, how much difference they made if they're a new player etc.
If that were truly the case, Nash didn't deserve one. ...which is exaclty why him winning ONE was a farce.
What does the reward honor? Most valuable to his team? Most valuable to the league? Best player in the league?
Nash doesn't quality for any of these no matter how you define the award. Hey, he's a great PG, let's face it-one the of the best 5 ever.
But, he didn't deserve one these awards, let's get real.
Oh, and again....I'm white. 馃槈