in all due fairness, enel didnt use his ultimate attack when he turns into raijin. that wud have been sumthing to see. and his ability to sense others is very good too, plus his speed is very great.
on the other hand however, goku was besting{int the beginning when he landed} a frieza who had just kicked away a planet destroying blast. so ill give it to goku as his ki blasts and speed are too great as well as durability and strength/reflexes. now make it goku as he was in the ORGINIAL dragon ball and well have the fight of the century on out hands.
Re: Son Goku Vs God Enel
Originally posted by Classic NESVS
This is Goku when he first arrived on Namek. He has one senzu bean and Enel has access to the Maxim arc.
FUTURE Goku merges with the dragon, and basically becomes omnipotent, due to this future eventuality, even past goku is affected by retrocausality effects the waves of immense power flow from the future into the past, and explain why goku can't be beaten even when wielding a far smaller amount of power in the distant past. Dragon Ball Gt is cheesy and goku and pan have an adventure, but given godly powers trascending time*(dragon merger), all timelines fall within his domain of power.
Some bizarre anomalous quantum phenomena near statistically impossible event will occur and give him the win. That is unless he is the bad guy in which case he'll survive, but lose as none can oppose the light of absolute infinite, the form of the good.
Mate you need to go back and read or watch the Goku vs Vegeta fight in the saiyan saga !!
Vegetas galic gun was going to destroy the planet !! Goku overpowered his blast with the kamehameha and kai-ken X4 and equaled it with kai-ken X3 !!! Goku is planet destroy from king kai trainign onwards !! Plus if you count the anime, Vegeta destroyed planet aurilia with 2 fingers, and with ease !!
Yeah, he SAID he was going to destroy the planet, but he never proved it. That's not enough evidence. Let's just ignore the fact that he was having a nervous breakdown at the time and Goku himself said that he didn't know if Vegeta was telling the truth so he would have to gamble on it.
Oh and dvampire, Goku as a kid took a huge electric attack from Roshi and wasn't hurt... Enel never showed the ability to fry people's brains from the inside - when he attacked people many of them survived and were fine later. Also he could simply be blasted and scattered away by a strong enough ki attack, so that he couldn't reform.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yeah, he SAID he was going to destroy the planet, but he never proved it. That's not enough evidence. Let's just ignore the fact that he was having a nervous breakdown at the time and Goku himself said that he didn't know if Vegeta was telling the truth so he would have to gamble on it.Oh and dvampire, Goku as a kid took a huge electric attack from Roshi and wasn't hurt... Enel never showed the ability to fry people's brains from the inside - when he attacked people many of them survived and were fine later. Also he could simply be blasted and scattered away by a strong enough ki attack, so that he couldn't reform.
How many volts was Roshi's attack? Enel can go up to millions of volts, his lightining is leagues above Roshi. Enel stoped Robins brain (he doesn't have to fry it, just stop it) and he never really tried to kill anyone, only fry them until they couldn't fight him anymore, he really didn't have to put effort in fighting them because he knew no one could stop him, but he has killed people before. And with mantra and the ability to teleport, he'll end the fight before a move is made by Goku. And I doubt Goku even kill Enel with ki since Enel has never been damage by any kind of energy in his appearance.
You do know that voltage is a measure of electrical potential difference, not power, right? That's watts. The voltage is pretty irrelevant if you don't know the wattage.
Furthermore, you're using a no-limits fallacy by saying that he can survive any attack from energy since he survived Wiper's burn bazooka.... that doesn't really compare to something that can envelop his entire body and scatter him into space.
And since when could he teleport? He can move fast, but Luffy could keep up with him. Goku is much faster than Luffy.
Also, he simply injured Nico Robin on the shoulder and that KO'd her.... nothing about her brain. I never said he couldn't kill people, just that he never showed the abilities you are claiming.
I thought he shocked her brain, I'm sure of that.
You didn't answer my question and you're also using no limits fallacy by just making him be able to be hurt by attacks when he was never shown to be hurt by such attacks. And then you just say BS like "that doesn't really compare to something that can envelop his entire body and scatter him into space", what the hell is Enel going to do? Just stand there? Can't he just blast Goku first? Ki still hasn't been proven to hurt Enel, and he's been hit by energy already, so again, I doubt ki blasts will be effective against him. He could just teleport around the planet, spamming lightning on Goku. You also forget he does have mantra and can teleport or in your case, he just move very fast; eitherway, he travels alot quicker than Goku.
Again, Enel wins. Goku doesn't have a way to defeat him, while Enel could just fry him.
Read the Manga Vegeta says, dodge this and your planet is gone !! ( something like that) in the manga goku never says anything about vegeta not being able to do it !! Its common DBZ knowledge that vegeta was going to destroy the earth but Goku stopped him.
Asfor Enel being faster than Goku i doubt it, if Monkey D Luffy can keep up with him then so can Goku iv never seen Lufy do anythign speed wise that would make him anywhere near as fast as Goku. Its hard to determine but it seems Goku cracke dlight speed whilst trainign with Kami and Mr Pop weathe ror not it was just a figure of speach or not Goku is still faster than anyone from One Piece !
Originally posted by dvampire
I thought he shocked her brain, I'm sure of that.You didn't answer my question and you're also using no limits fallacy by just making him be able to be hurt by attacks when he was never shown to be hurt by such attacks.
Um, no, that's the exact opposite of a no - limits fallacy. A no - limits fallacy is saying he survived A, so therefore he could survive something way more powerful than A, when he never did. What happens when the blast envelops his entire body and scatters him so far away he can't regen?
And then you just say BS like "that doesn't really compare to something that can envelop his entire body and scatter him into space", what the hell is Enel going to do? Just stand there? Can't he just blast Goku first?
Sure, but it won't do much. Not to mention Goku is faster.
Ki still hasn't been proven to hurt Enel, and he's been hit by energy already, so again, I doubt ki blasts will be effective against him.
Darkseid's Omega Effect hasn't been proven to hurt him either, does that mean it can't? No, because it was never used against him. Same here.
Furthermore, your argument is akin to saying that since a tank can survive a machine gun attack, it can surive a nuke. That's a classic no-limits fallacy.
He could just teleport around the planet, spamming lightning on Goku.
He's never shown the ability to teleport that far.... in fact he doesn't teleport at all, just has high burst movement speed.
You also forget he does have mantra and can teleport or in your case, he just move very fast; eitherway, he travels alot quicker than Goku.
That's funny, I don't remember any particular speed feats that support that statement. Luffy was blitzing him to hell.
Again, Enel wins. Goku doesn't have a way to defeat him, while Enel could just fry him.
Goku has taken much worse and been unharmed. Goku could just scatter him across space with a kamehameha.
Read the Manga Vegeta says, dodge this and your planet is gone !! ( something like that)
Of course he says it. The point is that just saying something isn't proof.
in the manga goku never says anything about vegeta not being able to do it !!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/gokudoesntbelievevegeta.jpg
"I'll have to gamble on it"
As in "I don't know if he's telling the truth, but I better try to stop it anyway".
ts common DBZ knowledge that vegeta was going to destroy the earth but Goku stopped him.
Appeal to anonymous authority. Vegeta SAID he was going to (right when he was having a mental breakdown and couldn't believe he was being beaten by a "low - class" Saiya-jin). That's hardly proof of anything - it's a hyperbole claim.
Asfor Enel being faster than Goku i doubt it, if Monkey D Luffy can keep up with him then so can Goku iv never seen Lufy do anythign speed wise that would make him anywhere near as fast as Goku.
This is true.
Its hard to determine but it seems Goku cracke dlight speed whilst trainign with Kami and Mr Pop weathe ror not it was just a figure of speach or not
Are you talking about when Mr. Popo said he had to be faster than lightning? For one thing, lightning isn't lightspeed, it's slower. Second of all, he also talked about tracking enemies by air movements, which would be useless if they were moving that fast (both light and lightning move many, many times faster than displaced air does). So it was obviously a figure of speech. Not to mention way after that the time and distance given to cross Snake Way were stated, and the speed was much less than light or lightning speed.
Goku is still faster than anyone from One Piece!
This is true, with the exception of Bartholemew Kuma, who can move at lightspeed (but not react that fast). However, since it really doesn't count as fighting speed for Kuma, you could say Goku's Shunkan Ido serves the same purpose which makes him faster, for all intents and purposes.
So basically Enel wins. He can easily take Goku out by just frying him or giving his brain a good shock, while Goku can't do nothing to harm him with any attack. Goku shoots kamehameha at him it'll just pass right through him and even if Enel was to go in space, he can survive out in space, and he'll just come back (and shock Goku some more).
There hasn't been any arugment proving that Enel can be harmed by Goku's attacks. Just saying "he'll be blasted into space" without any evidence that even proves that Enel can be hit by energy isn't enough. While Enel has proven feats to back him up that energy attacks has no effect against him.
