Originally posted by Count Makashi
It would have been better if Luke was the last of the Jedi, it would make his fight more important, if he dies, or turns to the Dark Side, its over for the Jedi, this way, they still have a chance.
Because there were other Jedi doesn't change Luke's impact. No one else could have possibly stood to both Vader and Palpatine. Luke was the only one that could come between them, due to his relation to Vader and Vader's love for him, which drove both Vader back to the Light and simultaneously resulted in Palpatine's death. Luke also had a greater potential than all other Jedi besides Anakin before losing his appendages. Even if the few other Jedi left from the Purge had stood together to fight Vader, and in the unlikely case, kill him, Palpatine still had an assortment of Force Adepts who could easily contend with the few Jedi left. Luke was the only Jedi who could have accomplished what he did.
Originally posted by Allankles
I never got that impression. I got the impression that he was the last hope and that the Jedi were far from the power they once were. I don't believe the OT suggested that Luke is the only light sided force user in the galaxy.The dramatic necessities as satisfied here by the fact that Luke is the only Jedi left alive that can hope to topple the Sith, not that he is literally the only Jedi left.
If you never got that impression, you were not paying very close attention.
Yoda says it outright- Luke will be the last of the Jedi.
Not only is Yoda always been set up as someone who would know, this is also a piece of information being passed to the auidence to set up the drama of the situation.
Luke is the last Jedi. That is the symbolism GL wanted. Anything else muddles it.
As for what Blax_Hydralisk... err, no. It's not even vaguely brilliant. It messes up part of the essential drama of the films just because they wanted people with cool powers around, and because they were too lazy to think up more original plots.
It's horrible, inane stuff that should never, ever have been done.
Exanda is right. Luke is conceptually the last Jedi, that's his position in Star Wars folklore.
The EU has a lot to answer to in that respect- though fortunately, as it is in a separate continuity it can be ignored in that same respect.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If you never got that impression, you were not paying very close attention.Yoda says it outright- Luke will be the last of the Jedi.
Not only is Yoda always been set up as someone who would know, this is also a piece of information being passed to the auidence to set up the drama of the situation.
Luke is the last Jedi. That is the symbolism GL wanted. Anything else muddles it.
As for what Blax_Hydralisk... err, no. It's not even vaguely brilliant. It messes up part of the essential drama of the films just because they wanted people with cool powers around, and because they were too lazy to think up more original plots.
It's horrible, inane stuff that should never, ever have been done.
Exanda is right. Luke is conceptually the last Jedi, that's his position in Star Wars folklore.
The EU has a lot to answer to in that respect- though fortunately, as it is in a separate continuity it can be ignored in that same respect.
He's the part your not getting. Even if Luke is the last of the Jedi, he cannot possibly be the last light side user of the force in the galaxy, not if the galaxy is as large and wonderous as GL would like his audience to believe. When Yoda told Luke he was the last, it meant something different than merely being the last surviving member of the order.
The mere fact that Obi and Yoda (as powerful as they were) were still around and undetected suggested to me that others may have survived. Even though Yoda was the wisest and most knowledgable of Jedi, he's certainly not omniscient. For me the idea that Luke is the last hope for the Jedi (which he actually was) isn't lessened by the inclusion of other survivng Jedi in the EU. An order of thousands naturally should have several scattered remnants.
Originally posted by Allankles
He's the part your not getting. Even if Luke is the last of the Jedi, he cannot possibly be the last light side user of the force in the galaxy, not if the galaxy is as large and wonderous as GL would like his audience to believe. When Yoda told Luke he was the last, it meant something different than merely being the last surviving member of the order.The mere fact that Obi and Yoda (as powerful as they were) were still around and undetected suggested to me that others may have survived. Even though Yoda was the wisest and most knowledgable of Jedi, he's certainly not omniscient. For me the idea that Luke is the last hope for the Jedi (which he actually was) isn't lessened by the inclusion of other survivng Jedi in the EU. An order of thousands naturally should have several scattered remnants.
That's all pointless speculation.
Here's the important thing- the films only care about Jedi, the fans only care about Jedi and the darn thread starter was asking about Jedi. have a look at the title.
And no it does not need to have several scattered remains. Simple plot set-up- Jedi ALL DEAD. Like I say, dramatic and heroic imperative, and the resonance of Luke being the last Jedi, overrides what you think the logic of that is.
As for you saying Yoda is not omniescient... plwease just re-read my last post again. It was direct info given to the audience- the way films convey such facts. Luke is clearly identified on-screen as the last of the Jedi. That wasn't just some random opinion, it's an essential set-up for the plot of the film.
"When Yoda told Luke he was the last, it meant something different than merely being the last surviving member of the order. "
How can I put this other than- NO IT DIDN'T. It cannot possibly have any other meaning- you are simply being weirdly obscure. The meaning is 100% clear.
And indeed, Melkor; that doesn't fit either. But this issue is worse- in direct contradiction.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And indeed, Melkor; that doesn't fit either. But this issue is worse- in direct contradiction.
Everything you say is spot on Ush, though concerning the last bit- force-sensitive servants that know true tricks do not make the Sith. Therefore the EU argues that rule of two wasn`t broken, because those force-using minions like Emperor`s hands were not Sith, and didn`t have the knowledge or training of full Sith.
Know I don`t see why Emperor would like to have force-users in his Empire with no threat of Jedi.