Battlezone Match: Captain Spaulding v.s Batdude123

Started by Capt Spaulding5 pages

A Notice to judges, and spectators, this match ends tomorrow at 7:00 Pm eastern North American Time. I may not be on, but if I have any more replies I feel that are needed, I'll post before I leave. So in advance, I'd like to thank batdude for a spectacular event, and would just like to remind the judges that voting time is within a day. Again, I might be on, I may not be, not sure. Anyway, if I'm not on, thank you for reading this very long match, and thank you Batdude for accepting my challange, and may the best man win, but again, I may have an extra rebuttal coming up sooner or later. So i'm posting this to better be safe than sorry. Anyway, G'night, and happy debating/judging/spectating.

Capt Spaulding Post 7 - Closing Statements

Now them I managed to get some online time. I have a Hockey Game to go to in a half hour, so I’m typing up my closing remarks right now. What can I say, anyway you look at it, Nathaniel would win. I know it, Batdude knows, and all that’s left is convincing you judges that he wins. Nathaniel can amp his strength to par Thor, now I posted many scans showcasing that he can amp anything he needs to, whether it be his own energy display, his hearing, his speed, and even his strength. Now I showed scan with him creating hid own universe within the Quantum Field, it isn’t moot, for if he’s capable of doing that by sheer will, he isn’t limited past his own will. Captain Atom will not quantum leap at all, I’ve beaten that to a dead horse, more than batdude has tried convincing you that he will leap. Atom can manipulate one of the fundamental forces of nature, and through this he can reach temperatures that were recorded in the big bang. Imagine Captain Atom doing that, in the attack he used on Hal Jordan, on Thor. Yeah, Mjolnir will absorb that 🙄
Nathaniel has shown to be a very capable opponent to beings such as Nekron, and Skyshadow. Now to the next subject. Here’s a time when Captain Atom should Quantum leap, and again it served as a plot device, for as soon as he did, he immediately came across other heroes to assist. Captain Atom looked at Johnny Sorrow’s face, and lived to tell the tale. If anyone ever look at his face, you die. Shazam looked at him, and turned to stone. There’s no way Thor would look at his face, without similar results to that to dear Shazam. Dr. Midnight survived by a shear fluke. In Summary, Johnny is Intangible, and Nate surviving is remarkable. Atom has shown to be magic resistant, and can either absorb or raise energy shields to protect himself from Thor’s hammer, and through quite a few scans, can breathe in space. Mary Marvel beating up Nate was the first time Nate had appeared in 4 years, was in a 6 issue comedy series called the Super Buddies, and is practically retconned as it is. An occurrence from a forgettable series, that cared more about Ted Cord and Booster Gold’s comedy duo. In closing, Thor’s phenomenal, but he isn’t the dubbed Quantum Elemental that Captain Atom is. Thor loses, Nate wins. I kept this summary as short as I could and, I’ll be back tonight around 9 or 10, to see what the online judges have ruled. Thanks for the match Batdude.

Looking at Mr. Sorrow’s face
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/jlajsavv350ax.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/jlajsavv876px.jpg

Captain Atom is joined by The Ray, Darkstar, and Green Lantern in the absorption of Parallax's plasma universe before it gets solidfield.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/zerohour0151hf.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/zerohour1129re.jpg

Light manipulating
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom22198lp.jpg

Enters another dimensional-plane on sheer will
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom48091js.jpg

Just don’t mess with Nate’s Family
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captainatom050391is.jpg

Guy Gardener and Superman are no match for the original Monitor, but Nathaniel has no problem absorbing his attacks.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002528jq.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002532uo.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002542nd.jpg

Good match Batdude, a good match indeed.

seeya guys later tonight

BATDUDE’S POST NUMBER 5

First of all, cut the bullshit, Atom. You know as well as I do (and the judges can plainly see this) that you used many scans from the Armageddon mini in your OPENING POST. You posted those before you even got a shot at looking at my opening post. So don’t try and hoodwink me, or most of all, the judges for the match with this crap. Fact of the matter is that once you saw me post the scan of Atom being almost pummeled to death by Apollo, you got scared and decided to post this:

"the whole series is probably best disregarded past entertainment value.

I didn’t misinterpret a damn thing, Capt. And I don’t appreciate you trying to cheapen the validity of my posts to the judges by saying that I “deceived” them.

I think the judges can see for themselves what kind of nonsense you’re serving in regards to the whole “Armageddon” debacle to boost your arguments. It’s sad, really…

Now, on to more important aspects…

Um… did you really just try and make a valid argument for Dwayne McDuffie’s wanking of Black Panther in comparison to Thor beating Silver Surfer? That’s laughable at best. Thor’s proven on two separate occasions to be above Norrin, and he backs it up. Mjolnir is a powerful weapon. I think this “point” you tried to make sums the entirety of your debating skills up nicely…severely lacking. 😬 Your inexperience in a tourney style debate is showing.

Silver Surfer isn’t exactly someone who’s regarded as a “jobber” around here.

You’re completely misunderstanding my point on Atom’s quantum leaping. I’m not heavily relying on it to win the match for me here. I’m simply pointing out to the judges that it’s a valid way for Thor to win. Also, him quantum leaping would be a very probable outcome if Thor blasted him with magical energy (which I already said he would to open this match). I just find it funny how the best defense to my point about Atom quantum leaping was “but it’s teh plot devicerez!!!11

And make no mistake, if Captain Atom quantum leaps, no matter if he comes back to Earth within a day or so, it’s still considered a victory for Thor.

Regardless, even if Atom doesn’t quantum leap after being blasted by Thor, he will be majorly stunned/dazed and ready to be taken out.

Oh, and if you insist on going by your “current point” about the usage of Armageddon scans… I’ll go ahead and use another one. 🙂

Captain Atom gets seriously hurt (nearly killed… and it was enough to set off the void reaction inside of his body) by Apollo’s heat vision blast (which is just more evidence to support the fact that Atom can indeed be hurt by energy).

http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22on5.jpg

Even if you wanted to “pull out all the stops” in this fight and use scans of Atom at his “full potential”, you still couldn’t. This battle doesn’t take place in the heart of the quantum field. It takes place in Manhattan.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
And you said I had holes in my argument, I feel like I’m talking to trickster here.

Wow… it’s really smart to insult one of the judges for this match. 😐

And the point about showing Major Force physically beating Atom wasn’t to say that MF is>>Atom. It was just to show that Atom can be handled that way, and he isn’t on par with Superman, Thor or anybody else with top tier strength.

I’ve asked you plenty of times to prove this, and you still haven’t this entire week. Atom didn’t fight Hal Jordan and Firestorm using strength, so even bringing them up to justify a point about his strength is stupid and irrelevant.

You haven’t provided any evidence of him breathing in space whatsoever. And the instance you showed, which again, doesn’t show him breathing in space, was before the book in which this scan comes from.

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlagodsandmonsterspg34sx6.jpg

Fail.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
O, btw, martian_mind can clarify this, in the Captain Atom v.s Martian Manhunter thread, you were the very first one to clain he can travel light speed, but nice try my hypocritical friend 😉

Me arguing like an idiot in the past isn’t exactly an excuse for you to argue like one now.

The fact remains that Captain Atom isn’t anywhere near light speed. Nice try with that one though.

Btw, I said he could go HALF the speed of light (which he still isn’t even close to), but still, it just goes to show you how he’ll give out false information to win a match…

The judges should take special note of this: Spaulding has not laid out a single plan of victory for Atom in this fight at all. All he’s done is show scans to prove Atom’s effective skills in a particular area (and none that are more impressive than Thor’s feats, to boot). He hasn’t even really explained how Atom is going to beat Thor at all.

His argument consists of displaying Atom’s array of powers with scans. No outline of a battle plane was mentioned.

I suppose the closest thing to a “strategy” he came up with is this:

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
if he’s lucky enough to weaken him, then he’ll go off like a nuclear explosion, and stand over his fallen adversary just as he did with Hal Jordan

And I’ve already explained why this wouldn’t work.

1. Thor’s durability by itself is more than sufficient enough to take a nuke.
2. Like I’ve said before, ANY energy Atom sends out in Thor’s direction will be absorbed and redirected right back at him with 100x the original power.

Basically, it would be a death wish for Nathaniel to do something like that. However, even that point is moot. Why, you may ask yourselves? Well, because he hasn’t described anything Atom is going to do in the opening portion of this match.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Shields Maxima,
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/extremejustice03205lz.jpg

You can show a scan of him putting up a shield all you want, but the fact still remains that going into this match, you did NOT have him create a shield. Without a shield already up going into this match, Atom is, in essence, completely f*cked.

The only that’s going to happen in the opening is Atom getting a face full of Thor’s magical blast. After that, one of (or all) of the following will occur:

A. Mjolnir strikes to the face.
B. Life energy drain.
C. Atom being turned into anti-matter, thus he’d be effectively erased from the universe.

All the other scans you posted are inconsequential, because I’ve already shown Thor to be more powerful than Atom by a mile. None of those are more impressive than what Thor has done. But, if we’re just posting random scans to prove how powerful our characters are, I might as well post this:

Thor makes Galactus flee for his life in a fight:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst7.jpg

Thor ftw. But this was a nice match, Capt. You didn’t do too bad for a 15 year old. 😛

BATDUDE’S POST NUMBER 6

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Nathaniel can amp his strength to par Thor

There’s absolutely NOTHING you’ve shown to back this claim.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Now I showed scan with him creating hid own universe within the Quantum Field, it isn’t moot, for if he’s capable of doing that by sheer will, he isn’t limited past his own will.

It is indeed moot because he did all of that in the quantum field, which I said before. He can’t do that outside of it.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Captain Atom will not quantum leap at all

Perhaps, perhaps not. However, either way, Atom still loses this match badly.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Atom can manipulate one of the fundamental forces of nature, and through this he can reach temperatures that were recorded in the big bang.

Something that you haven’t backed up with actual evidence, not that it really matters.

All you did this whole match was bring up convoluted points about the abilities of Captain Atom, without actually describing to us how he’s going to put them to good use in order to beat Thor.

Atom isn’t going to be doing anything here, especially after being hit by an immense energy blast.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Imagine Captain Atom doing that, in the attack he used on Hal Jordan, on Thor. Yeah, Mjolnir will absorb that 🙄

😕

I already showed Thor absorbing much more energy than a nuclear explosion.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Nathaniel has shown to be a very capable opponent to beings such as Nekron, and Skyshadow.

And Thor has fought Galactus, Celestials, Surtur, Ymir, the Destroyer Armor, etc.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Now to the next subject. Here’s a time when Captain Atom should Quantum leap, and again it served as a plot device, for as soon as he did, he immediately came across other heroes to assist. Captain Atom looked at Johnny Sorrow’s face, and lived to tell the tale.

And yet, he still quantum leaped. 😬

You saying it was a plot device still doesn’t change the fact that it happened.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Atom has shown to be magic resistant

When? When has he ever proved to be “magically resistant?”

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
can either absorb or raise energy shields to protect himself from Thor’s hammer

It wouldn’t protect him. But meh… you don’t actually have a shield up for him in this fight anyway.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
and through quite a few scans, can breathe in space.

Quite a few scans!! 😱 You haven’t shown ONE!

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Mary Marvel beating up Nate was the first time Nate had appeared in 4 years, was in a 6 issue comedy series called the Super Buddies, and is practically retconned as it is. An occurrence from a forgettable series, that cared more about Ted Cord and Booster Gold’s comedy duo. In closing, Thor’s phenomenal, but he isn’t the dubbed Quantum Elemental that Captain Atom is. Thor loses, Nate wins. I kept this summary as short as I could and, I’ll be back tonight around 9 or 10, to see what the online judges have ruled. Thanks for the match Batdude.

It hasn’t been retconned, and it is canon. The “I don’t like it, it never happened” argument isn’t going to cut it here.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Looking at Mr. Sorrow’s face
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/jlajsavv350ax.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/jlajsavv876px.jpg

Captain Atom is joined by The Ray, Darkstar, and Green Lantern in the absorption of Parallax's plasma universe before it gets solidfield.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/zerohour0151hf.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/zerohour1129re.jpg

Light manipulating
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom22198lp.jpg

Enters another dimensional-plane on sheer will
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom48091js.jpg

Just don’t mess with Nate’s Family
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captainatom050391is.jpg

Guy Gardener and Superman are no match for the original Monitor, but Nathaniel has no problem absorbing his attacks.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002528jq.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002532uo.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/armageddon2001002542nd.jpg

Good match Batdude, a good match indeed.

seeya guys later tonight

Once again, this little exhibition of Atom’s powers doesn’t help you without an actual battle plan.

You lose. 🙂

End of the match.

Judges can now cast their votes.

Good match Batdude, No matter who wins, or who loses, I think this is eailly one of the best Battlezone matches thus far, thanks for the match amigo, no hard feelings at all 😉

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
No matter who wins, or who loses, I think this is eailly one of the best Battlezone matches thus far
I think the Darth/Trickster one was the best one so far... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Good match Batdude, No matter who wins, or who loses, I think this is eailly one of the best Battlezone matches thus far, thanks for the match amigo, no hard feelings at all 😉

Same here, Capt. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
I think the Darth/Trickster one was the best one so far... 😖hifty:
for different reasons haermm

Where are those damned judges? ermm.

Originally posted by Soljer
Where are those damned judges? ermm.

You're one of them. eyes

Originally posted by batdude123
You're one of them. eyes

Hence the ermm.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hence the ermm.

I know you know.

Hence the eyes

Batdude we wowed them so much, we won't find out who won for a week 😛

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Batdude we wowed them so much, we won't find out who won for a week 😛

ermm

I think it's pretty clear to those reading the thread who won. 😛 .

Originally posted by batdude123
ermm

Want to play scrabble, and various other board games sly

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Want to play scrabble, and various other board games sly

Why not? youpi

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
To ultimately clarrify, the 5 Judges are as followed and I quote:

Kurash, Tricksterpriest, Violent2Dope, Soljer, and PR.

just clarrifying the 5 judges, and keep in mind, there are two back ups, should it be needed.

You two should team up for Ill's tourney.

Or, alternatively, each of you should find another partner for Ill's tourney.