Silver Surfer Runs the DC Gauntlet

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who do i beleve? Well, Surfer said those things himself.😬

Now regarding Surfers speed, Hal has been know to travel ftl as well. Surfer wont be flying in circles and shooting beams on the insides here. Also, how many strength feats does Surfer have? Is strength an issue here? I doubt it. Thirdly, durability wise, Hal has survived some pretty powerful things, one being an explosion that He didnt think Supes was capable of surviving. And what is Surfers board going to do to Hal?

When Hal's will falters, he has all the frailties of a man. If the Surfer's PC falters, he's still a nigh indestructible, superstrong guy on a board that will still obey his thoughts. This is why I favor Surfer over GLs in a battle.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I don't want to make this thread exclusively about Surfer and Hal. There are other threads for that. I just want to clear up the point I was making: Surfer and Hal have comparable feats, but beneath their respective PC and Oan energy, their physical stats are [B]not equal.

When Hal's will falters, he has all the frailties of a man. If the Surfer's PC falters, he's still a nigh indestructible, superstrong guy on a board that will still obey his thoughts. This is why I favor Surfer over GLs in a battle. [/B]

So how then does Surfer beat Kilowog who is far stronger than He under all of the feats. And Wog can pretty much do anything any top tier GL can. And he's the best fighter amongts all GL"s.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how then does Surfer beat Kilowog who is far stronger than He under all of the feats. And Wog can pretty much do anything any top tier GL can. And he's the best fighter amongts all GL"s.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And he's the best fighter amongts all GL"s.

Is that a fact?

When Hal is in full on ring-slinger mode, an entire platoon of GLs couldn't shine his ring.

I'm thinking 11.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Given the scenario that both fighters have exhausted their will/PC, Surfer vs Kilowog should be a better fight than Surfer vs any human GL, due to Kilowog's superior stats. I'd still bet on Surfer; even when PC exhausted, he still has that darn board.

Kilowag isn't superior to Hal when they both have rings at full power though. Idk maybe he is. Question: What if Hal temporarily destroyed surfer's board and then proceeds to beat him on the ground while he is stranded. To my knowledge the Surfer cannot fly without his board. The Surfer could create a new board but Hal could destroy it again. Anyway my point is Hal is known to be the most iconic and the greatest GL due to his unique capacity for will power which is unequalled - human or not (excluding symbiotic/parasitic entities) Whether others are suppose to out do him or not (Sodam Yat) does not take away from him presently. Rationally he could at least stalemate Surfer once or beat him once right?

Originally posted by Galan007
If Surfer were to punch an unprotected Hal at >light speeds -- It would more then likely kill him, no?

If he runs INTO hal.

I'm talking about if he runs PAST hal, and lets out just enough of a blast to knock him out, put him to sleep, or otherwise non-lethally incapacitate him.

Again, I still see that fight being 5/10. Just discussing the whole autoshield thing with you.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how then does Surfer beat Kilowog who is far stronger than He under all of the feats. And Wog can pretty much do anything any top tier GL can. And he's the best fighter amongts all GL"s.

No.

Isn't current Captain Atom ridiculously powerful?

Originally posted by Soljer
Again, I still see that fight being 5/10. Just discussing the whole autoshield thing with you.

Hal's shields WOULD be activated, because I say they would. hitlershakefist

Originally posted by Galan007
You don't seem to understand,

Hal's shields WOULD be activated, because I say they would. hitlershakefist

Well this is a fight right? I've never seen a GL go into a fight without his ring on

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well this is a fight right? I've never seen a GL go into a fight without his ring on

We aren't talking about shields. We're talking about auto-shields. The kind that only come up in response to lethal attacks.

Originally posted by Soljer
We aren't talking about shields. We're talking about auto-shields. The kind that only come up in response to lethal attacks.

Sorry, but autoshields go up if something has the potential to inflict mortal damage to the ring bearer.

An attack at c, would pose said danger to an unprotected Hal. 😉

Thus,
I see no reason why autoshields wouldn't be a given for Hal, in that scenario?

Originally posted by Galan007
So if Surfer launched an attack at > c., Hal's ring would read Surfer's mind, and find out that Surfer didn't mean to kill Hal, just knock him out?

Sorry, but autoshields go up if something has the potential to inflict mortal damage to the ring bearer.

An attack at c, would pose said danger to an unprotected Hal. 😉

Thus,
I see no reason why autoshields wouldn't be a given for Hal, in that scenario?

Don't ask me how they do it. They're the most advanced pieces of technology in the universe.

For whatever reason, they know what'll happen. They'll be able to tell that the Surfer ISN'T going to just try to knock hal's head off.

That's the explanation for Batman knocking around Lanterns. I mean, Batman COULD kill a human in a single hit - so that means an expected attack by Batman COULD be lethal.

But, they never are, so the shields never come up.

That nukka doesn't get past Highball.

Originally posted by Soljer
They'll be able to tell that the Surfer ISN'T going to just try to knock hal's head off.

Anyhow,
An attack from Surfer at c, would kill an unprotected Hal imo -- So there is no reason that his autoshields wouldn't manifest in a 'just incase' fashion -- Simply assuming that his ring wouldn't shield him from this type of attack, because Surfer's intentions may not be centered around killing him, seems a bit faulty, and doesn't change the fact the Surfer would still be attacking at c.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's the explanation for Batman knocking around Lanterns. I mean, Batman COULD kill a human in a single hit - so that means an expected attack by Batman COULD be lethal.

But, they never are, so the shields never come up.

A one hit kill is a one hit kill. Why wouldn't they happen 'just in case' in one case but not the other?

Originally posted by Soljer
A one hit kill is a one hit kill. Why wouldn't they happen 'just in case' in one case but not the other?

Even if they are equal, the ring would continue to loose energy. Hal with no ring is pwn by a Surfer with continual PC.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Even if they are equal, the ring would continue to loose energy. Hal with no ring is pwn by a Surfer with continual PC.