Superman Vs. The Mighty Avengers

Originally posted by Sirius77
[B]Check the Superman respect thread. He's done some of the same things.
Also, if you want to name off panel feats, Superman has been stated to have saved the omniverse, and "rocked the solar system" in his batte with Darkseid.

Where did i name anything off panel? I didnt. Every feat of Sentry's i named was on panel. And if you wanna use off panel ones too, then Sentry stalemated Galactus himself, and that trumps anything youve just stated Superman did.

Also, Genis was not as powerful as Zemo, otherwise he wouldn't have been begging for his life while Zemo sent pieces of him to the darkzone.

Zemo himself, as well as Songbird, and Zemo's own teammate, MACH IV, all admitted Photon was superior to Zemo. Photon seemingly let Zemo win because he finally gave up on finding an alternate future instead of him destroying the universe. And it wasnt just Zemo that beat Photon, he needed Blackout's help to beat Genis, and Zemo himself not only admitted to not being as powerful as Genis, but also admitted that he couldnt freeze Genis the way he did for long. If he was more powerful, he couldve held him as long as he wanted. For example, if you're a little stronger than me, i can hold you for a few seconds like Zemo did to Photon, but if im stronger than you, then i could hold you as long as i want cause im stronger so there's no way you could break out.

Also, as far as the energy overload thing, it's in the Superman respect thread somewhere in the neighborhood of page 40ish. Superman has done that more than once I believe.

Considering Superman has never fought the Absorbing Man because theyre from different companies, no, Superman has never done it. And even if he had the chance to, he'd fail just like his peer Thor always has.

Also, in regard to taking out combined forces of SHIELD, The Fantastic Four, Astonishing X-Men, New Avengers, Inhumans, Dr. Strange, and Namor, owaw superman took out a planet (warworld) of copies of Validus, Emerald Empress, the guy with antimatter hands, Torak, and that atomic ax guy. These people gave the legion of superheroes trouble back when there were only those five.

That's not regular Superman though. And that's one of Superman's highest showings ever. His high showings are not all that count. It's called averages. His low showings count too. And in this case, Sentry has one low showing (the helicarrier) whereas Superman has quite a few. Your way of debating is idiotic, you're using Superman's best showings against Sentry's worst.

One more i forgot about too...Sentry held the power of a Cosmic Cube in his hand. A ****ing COSMIC CUBE. Superman nearly got his armed ripped off trying to hold a microscopic black hole in his hands. A Cosmic Cube >>>>>>>>>>>>> A Microscopic Black Hole. Sentry is once again shown superior to Superman.

Sentry > Superman. Sorry, but's it's true.

Originally posted by Photon009
Where did i name anything off panel? I didnt. Every feat of Sentry's i named was on panel. And if you wanna use off panel ones too, then Sentry stalemated Galactus himself, and that trumps anything youve just stated Superman did.

Stalemating Galactus is nothing compared to saving the omniverse.

Originally posted by Photon009
Zemo himself, as well as Songbird, and Zemo's own teammate, MACH IV, all admitted Photon was superior to Zemo. Photon seemingly let Zemo win because he finally gave up on finding an alternate future instead of him destroying the universe. And it wasnt just Zemo that beat Photon, he needed Blackout's help to beat Genis, and Zemo himself not only admitted to not being as powerful as Genis, but also admitted that he couldnt freeze Genis the way he did for long. If he was more powerful, he couldve held him as long as he wanted. For example, if you're a little stronger than me, i can hold you for a few seconds like Zemo did to Photon, but if im stronger than you, then i could hold you as long as i want cause im stronger so there's no way you could break out.

It didn't seem to me like blackout was helping, it seemed to me like he was protesting and zemo forcefully manipulated the darkforce within his body. Also, regardless of what zemo said, on panel, he was shown to be superior to genis. Genis was begging for his life. He didn't want to die, he said "please.. just give me another chance" over and over again because of the time loop. Also, just because someone cannot hold someone as long as they want doesn't imply inferiority to the person that they are holding, it just simply means that their stamina has failed. Also, I didn't see Genis doing the same to zemo.

Originally posted by Photon009
Considering Superman has never fought the Absorbing Man because theyre from different companies, no, Superman has never done it. And even if he had the chance to, he'd fail just like his peer Thor always has..

Of course they're from two different companies... thats what this forum is for. The point isn't to find an exact instance of the fight listed on the thread, it's to speculate what would happen if the two characters were to fight. So, by your logic, no intercompany battles will have winners no matter if the other character is superior in every way. According to you, this thread has no winner no matter what because the companies are different.

Also, Thor and Superman are not equals. JLA/Avengers was stated to be cannon by both companies. Superman caught Thors hammer, singed his skin and outfit with heat vision, and then KOed him. The writer of both characters, jurgens, said that Superman was actually many times stronger than Thor in one of his interviews. So, no, they are not equals.

Originally posted by Photon009
That's not regular Superman though. And that's one of Superman's highest showings ever. His high showings are not all that count. It's called averages. His low showings count too. And in this case, Sentry has one low showing (the helicarrier) whereas Superman has quite a few. Your way of debating is idiotic, you're using Superman's best showings against Sentry's worst...

So that's not regular superman? Whenever Superman has a high feat it's not him? Well... I never knew that. In that case who was the imposter that fought Genis? Apparently not sentry..

Also, imo, the helicarrier feat wasn't his lowest, the ironman punch was.

Originally posted by Photon009
One more i forgot about too...Sentry held the power of a Cosmic Cube in his hand. A ****ing COSMIC CUBE. Superman nearly got his armed ripped off trying to hold a microscopic black hole in his hands. A Cosmic Cube >>>>>>>>>>>>> A Microscopic Black Hole. Sentry is once again shown superior to Superman.

A cosmic cube is one of the most powerful artifacts in the marvel universe, but I see no reason why holding it is a durability feat. The power that it can grant is amazing, but to my knowledge, the energy that it naturally puts out is not harmful to the touch. Much like the ig. If you touch it, it won't hurt you, but if someone that is wearing it wishes it to, then it will. So, unless you can give me some scans of a cosmic cube actually hurting someone of high durability from just being in the vicinity with no outside interference, then I'll admit that I'm wrong. However, until then, imo, a blackholes ambient destructive capabilities remain over the AMBIENT destructive capabilities of of a cosmic cube.

Originally posted by Photon009
Sentry > Superman. Sorry, but's it's true.

Until I see feats that are over Superman's that sentry has done, then it is Superman>Sentry.

Great post Sirius!

Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
Great post Sirius!

Thanks! 😄

One thing.

OWAW Superman fought hard light constructs on the Fatal Five, not the actual Fatal Five to my knowledge.

It always seems that whenever Sentry is being debated people always bring up 3 low feats for sentry and only use high-end showings for supes. Wanna know a low feat for Supes?? In Cyborg Superman #1 Supes punches Henshaw and Henshaw doesn't even go through the Base of the Statue of Liberty. So obiously Statue of Liberty Base>>Supes. 😉

To say that Superman is greater than the current roster that comprises the Avengers is erroneous. Ms. Marvel as Binary could give Superman a hell of a workout alone, but when you add Ironman, Sentry, and Ares to the mix you wind up with Clark taking a huge beating.

Sentry does not and can not extend biometric energy to stop large objects from falling apart under their own weight Superman can. The hellicarrier is and has always been a weak argument I will say it once again, Sentry could easily lift the Hellicarrier, hell he could even toss the thing. The fact that an object that weighed millions on tons came crashing down on top of him and he needed time to slow it's momentum.

I've seen Superman, Wonder Woman and a handfull of characters try to catch a bus filled with passengers and were pushed back because of the weight of the thing. Superman once threw a Aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel and it took Marvel time to stop it. Anyone know what comic I am reffering to? It's the one that Eclipso wanted to take over Captain Marvels body, while he possessed Superman's. Now please don't tell me that Captain Marvel is stronger than Superman because he isn't although he is very close. Oh and can anyone remember when Billy punched Superman in the nose and made it bleed? Actually I've seen Batman without K-nite kick Superman in the chin and open him up, anyone remember Dark Knight Returns?

Ironman hits harder than Bruce any day of the year. The current Avengers are too much for any one Superman to handle Alone. Sentry may in fact be able to beat him, or stalemate him. I really have my doubts about Superman holding off a few thousand mutant powers in one persons body, hell Magneto alone would give him a fight.

Sentry did pretty well in that fight, and was only BFR'ed, the Collective could not finish him off. Which also shows how strong Sentry's mental defenses are. It also shows how durable he is when you take into account what "they" did to Ms. Marvel, and Ironman.

Truth be told Superman would most likely fall as well to mental manipulation but Sentry was immune. it's so true how people like to pick on Sentry's low showings, but Ultron would calculate Supermans defeat as well and if he did not have any help it would be Doomsday all over again. For example if Ultron was in the DC universe Superman would be in a database and his weakness would stick out like a sore thumb, and it would be exploited. They don't need Thor, if he was there it would be overkill.

Avengers win.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
To say that Superman is greater than the current roster that comprises the Avengers is erroneous. Ms. Marvel as Binary could give Superman a hell of a workout alone, but when you add Ironman, Sentry, and Ares to the mix you wind up with Clark taking a huge beating.

Sentry does not and can not extend biometric energy to stop large objects from falling apart under their own weight Superman can. The hellicarrier is and has always been a weak argument I will say it once again, Sentry could easily lift the Hellicarrier, hell he could even toss the thing. The fact that an object that weighed millions on tons came crashing down on top of him and he needed time to slow it's momentum.

I've seen Superman, Wonder Woman and a handfull of characters try to catch a bus filled with passengers and were pushed back because of the weight of the thing. Superman once threw a Aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel and it took Marvel time to stop it. Anyone know what comic I am reffering to? It's the one that Eclipso wanted to take over Captain Marvels body, while he possessed Superman's. Now please don't tell me that Captain Marvel is stronger than Superman because he isn't although he is very close. Oh and can anyone remember when Billy punched Superman in the nose and made it bleed? Actually I've seen Batman without K-nite kick Superman in the chin and open him up, anyone remember Dark Knight Returns?

Ironman hits harder than Bruce any day of the year. The current Avengers are too much for any one Superman to handle Alone. Sentry may in fact be able to beat him, or stalemate him. I really have my doubts about Superman holding off a few thousand mutant powers in one persons body, hell Magneto alone would give him a fight.

Sentry did pretty well in that fight, and was only BFR'ed, the Collective could not finish him off. Which also shows how strong Sentry's mental defenses are. It also shows how durable he is when you take into account what "they" did to Ms. Marvel, and Ironman.

Truth be told Superman would most likely fall as well to mental manipulation but Sentry was immune. it's so true how people like to pick on Sentry's low showings, but Ultron would calculate Supermans defeat as well and if he did not have any help it would be Doomsday all over again. For example if Ultron was in the DC universe Superman would be in a database and his weakness would stick out like a sore thumb, and it would be exploited. They don't need Thor, if he was there it would be overkill.

Avengers win.

The Sentry hate is ridiculous.

He fights the collective, who murdered Alpha Flight, and had the power of most of the mutants around the world, and he faired well.

He fights Photon, and fairs well in a fight that destroyed worlds.

He beats The Void.

He humbles Terrax.

He's on the level, and wouldn't merely get whomped by Superman, but the extreme hate this character gets blinds you to that.

Stop it.

Most of his feats would be on the first page of a Superman respect thread, but all it does.

Originally posted by UniOmni

He fights the collective, who murdered Alpha Flight, and had the power of most of the mutants around the world, and he faired well.

He fights Photon, and fairs well in a fight that destroyed worlds.

He beats The Void.

He humbles Terrax.

*golf claps*

Superman still owns his cheap, made in china, knock-off ass.

Originally posted by Futureman
Superman as he is presently Vs. The Mighty Avengers.

I say speedblitz for the win. Sentry is much weaker and would get taken out with only a few punches. The god of war is slow with low duarability, Wonderman is also much slower as is Ms, Marvel. Superman Solos them.

Iron man etc. are non factors.

If you already know the outcome, than what's the point in creating this moronic thread and wasting bandwidth in the first place?

Originally posted by UniOmni
One thing.

OWAW Superman fought hard light constructs on the Fatal Five, not the actual Fatal Five to my knowledge.

I know, but the powers were still the same to my knowledge.

Originally posted by moonknight11
It always seems that whenever Sentry is being debated people always bring up 3 low feats for sentry and only use high-end showings for supes. Wanna know a low feat for Supes?? In Cyborg Superman #1 Supes punches Henshaw and Henshaw doesn't even go through the Base of the Statue of Liberty. So obiously Statue of Liberty Base>>Supes. 😉

Appearently, you don't read many superman comics. In just about all
of them at some point he states, directly says, or implies that he is holding back. He has even stated that he has never tried to kill henshaw.
Also, what makes you think that with eight will hunters, two gl rings, kryptonian abilities, and the majority of some of the most powerful tech in the universe that henshaw didn't dampen his fall?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
To say that Superman is greater than the current roster that comprises the Avengers is erroneous. Ms. Marvel as Binary could give Superman a hell of a workout alone, but when you add Ironman, Sentry, and Ares to the mix you wind up with Clark taking a huge beating.

Can ms marvel put out the power of 50 supernovas? Because if she can, then it would only be enough to hurt (not kill or even knock out) a current superman weakened by prolonged exposure to red sun radiation. Because thats exactly what happened in the recent suneater confrontation. 50 supernovas is more than enough to destroy 50 solar systems.

Ironman has gotten pwned by pretty much everyone. He got pwned by wwh when he was weakened by nanites especially fine tuned to his dna, ironman also had a special suit made ONLY for that confrontation, and he still lost. Superman would just take his suit off at superspeed and take him to the hospital at superspeed so that he wouldn't have a heart
attack.

When sentry has feats comparable to supermans or survives 50 supernovas (the best I've seen sentry survive was that nuclear bomb, and even then his clothes were torn and his skin was singed. Superman had his clothes intact and minimal dark marks if any on his skin after a 50 supernova explosion) then he will make a difference.

Ares? The one that got pwned by a lightning bolt? Byrnes superman took lightning bolts for fun. Current superman... current superman wouldn't even notice.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Sentry does not and can not extend biometric energy to stop large objects from falling apart under their own weight Superman can. The hellicarrier is and has always been a weak argument I will say it once again, Sentry could easily lift the Hellicarrier, hell he could even toss the thing. The fact that an object that weighed millions on tons came crashing down on top of him and he needed time to slow it's momentum.

Oh, so sentry doesn't have a bioelectric aura? So that huge energy bust that threw the inhumans off of him was just imagined... and that yellow energy that is always around him? And the fact that he has psionic powers was just imagined too? Just saying.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I've seen Superman, Wonder Woman and a handfull of characters try to catch a bus filled with passengers and were pushed back because of the weight of the thing. Superman once threw a Aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel and it took Marvel time to stop it. Anyone know what comic I am reffering to? It's the one that Eclipso wanted to take over Captain Marvels body, while he possessed Superman's. Now please don't tell me that Captain Marvel is stronger than Superman because he isn't although he is very close. Oh and can anyone remember when Billy punched Superman in the nose and made it bleed? Actually I've seen Batman without K-nite kick Superman in the chin and open him up, anyone remember Dark Knight Returns?

First off, that was byrnes era. Second off, captain marvel and superman have always been pretty close in power, third off, past incarnations of superman were far vulnerable to magic that current superman is. Captain marvel is magic. He is a magical conduit. Thats why ever magical being gave their power to him in dov. Also, eclipso amps people. Did you see what it did to that crazy woman in the insane assylum? It made her almost near low herald.

Also, dark knight returns wasn't cannon... if you want to do that then I could name the time when magneto took over the world and killed all of the avengers. Non-cannon doesn't count. Its interesting. But it doesn't count.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Ironman hits harder than Bruce any day of the year. The current Avengers are too much for any one Superman to handle Alone. Sentry may in fact be able to beat him, or stalemate him. I really have my doubts about Superman holding off a few thousand mutant powers in one persons body, hell Magneto alone would give him a fight.

Not dark knight returns bruce, few can resist the batkick...
Also, superman held off a planet of mutant lifeforms. So I think that he can.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Sentry did pretty well in that fight, and was only BFR'ed, the Collective could not finish him off. Which also shows how strong Sentry's mental defenses are. It also shows how durable he is when you take into account what "they" did to Ms. Marvel, and Ironman.

Where does it say that the collective COULD NOT finish him off? The collective got annoyed and pimp smacked him back to earth. A good feat to last that long with the collective, but lets not overexaggerate.

Also, ms marvel and ironman have gotten pwned by alot of people. Rogue almost destroyed ms marvel, she still feels guilty...

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Truth be told Superman would most likely fall as well to mental manipulation but Sentry was immune. it's so true how people like to pick on Sentry's low showings, but Ultron would calculate Supermans defeat as well and if he did not have any help it would be Doomsday all over again. For example if Ultron was in the DC universe Superman would be in a database and his weakness would stick out like a sore thumb, and it would be exploited. They don't need Thor, if he was there it would be overkill.

Superman wouldn't fall to mental manipulation. T-vo? It was enough to knock back mm, who is on par with or over prof x. Sentry has the willpower of a sponge. All it would take is bringing the viod up and talking about how crappy his life was to have sentry in the fetal position whining.
Also, ultron would not calculate supermans defeat. Henshaw has tried that for at least about fifty issues or more now, and it hasn't worked. Henshaw>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ultron. Also, superman is alot more tolerant to kryptonite and solar radiation. As I said he survived a 50 supernova explosion while having a red solar energy beam blasted on his chest. He also defeated a kyptonite robot while having kyptonite lasers blasted at his chest. So, no. Ultron would not "calculate his defeat".

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Avengers win.

Nope. Superman wins.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The Sentry hate is ridiculous.

He fights the collective, who murdered Alpha Flight, and had the power of most of the mutants around the world, and he faired well.

He fights Photon, and fairs well in a fight that destroyed worlds.

He beats The Void.

He humbles Terrax.

He's on the level, and wouldn't merely get whomped by Superman, but the extreme hate this character gets blinds you to that.

Stop it.

Most of his feats would be on the first page of a Superman respect thread, but all it does.

These feats are pretty much alredy on there, the characters just have different names and there are more and bigger feats.

Originally posted by Sirius77
First off, that was byrnes era.

Well to be honest, we could say that the Mighty Avengers is Bendis' era and we all know that Sentry is kind of looking weaker in the team book. Same as Supes in JLA, it would be boring if those two guys just own everybody. Kind of defeats the purpose.

Superman wouldn't fall to mental manipulation. T-vo? It was enough to knock back mm, who is on par with or over prof x. Sentry has the willpower of a sponge.

Regardless of Ringmaster, lets ask Strange about his sponge like willpower.

Also, ultron would not calculate supermans defeat. Henshaw has tried that for at least about fifty issues or more now, and it hasn't worked. Henshaw>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ultron.

So I suppose Thor is weaker than DC's finest too, as the older Ultron has beaten him back (with the other Avengers) time and time again.

So, no. Ultron would not "calculate his defeat".

I'm sorry, but I think Ultron could throw down with Supes or even beat him solo.

Nope. Superman wins.

No, he doesnt.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well to be honest, we could say that the Mighty Avengers is Bendis' era and we all know that Sentry is kind of looking weaker in the team book. Same as Supes in JLA, it would be boring if those two guys just own everybody. Kind of defeats the purpose.

Regardless of Ringmaster, lets ask Strange about his sponge like willpower.

So I suppose Thor is weaker than DC's finest too, as the older Ultron has beaten him back (with the other Avengers) time and time again.

I'm sorry, but I think Ultron could throw down with Supes or even beat him solo.

No, he doesnt.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well to be honest, we could say that the Mighty Avengers is Bendis' era and we all know that Sentry is kind of looking weaker in the team book. Same as Supes in JLA, it would be boring if those two guys just own everybody. Kind of defeats the purpose.

No. Bendis era is current. Byrnes era was retconned out of existance.

Originally posted by tkitna
Regardless of Ringmaster, lets ask Strange about his sponge like willpower.

That was a sheild. There's a difference between that and t-vo. Sentrys willpower is pretty weak compared to supermans.

Originally posted by tkitna
So I suppose Thor is weaker than DC's finest too, as the older Ultron has beaten him back (with the other Avengers) time and time again.

Superman singed thors clothes and skin with heat vision, caught his hammer with one hand, and then koed him with a punch. It has been stated by jurgens the writer of both that superman is many times more powerful than thor. Also, henshaw is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ultron and he has never beat superman. Why would ultron?

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm sorry, but I think Ultron could throw down with Supes or even beat him solo.

Only if superman jobbed.

Originally posted by tkitna
No, he doesnt.

Based upon facts, logic, and correct reasoning, Superman does win.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No. Bendis era is current. Byrnes era was retconned out of existance.

That was a sheild. There's a difference between that and t-vo. Sentrys willpower is pretty weak compared to supermans.

Superman singed thors clothes and skin with heat vision, caught his hammer with one hand, and then koed him with a punch. It has been stated by jurgens the writer of both that superman is many times more powerful than thor. Also, henshaw is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ultron and he has never beat superman. Why would ultron?

Only if superman jobbed.

Based upon facts, logic, and correct reasoning, Superman does win.

superman fan*&% much. 😛

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