Originally posted by llagrokOf course MJJ could deal out more damage than Fury, if the IG wielder allowed the battle to continue for too long -- But said IG wielder, [being omniscient], would 'instantly' know that their best bet at defeating MJJ, is to take him to a place where he has nothing to mold/shape.
Unless they did so instantly, MJJ would probably deal more damage than the Fury.
It would be rather simple for the IG to beat MJJ in a PIS-free environment, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not really, imo.An IG user would just kill Jaspers, the same way Fury did -- BFR into Un-Space ftw.
That sounds alot easier than it can be done.
BFR for ftw. ...
assuming Jaspers would just sit there and allow himself to get tossed into nothingness.
Let's not forget,
Fury was actually immune to Jaspers' warp.
This is why Jaspers' had to go toe to toe with Fury (hand to hand)
But against an IG wielder, Jaspers' can use his true power, (Warping Reality)
and I doubt he'll allow himself to succumb to BFR especially withIN his Warp,
which exponentially expands consuming everything around him including his opponent.
It's hard to say who would win, but it wouldn't be an easy win either way, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow,
Warlock takes this.
I agree.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That sounds alot easier than it can be done.BFR for ftw. ...
assuming Jaspers would just sit there and allow himself to get tossed into nothingness.Let's not forget,
Fury was actually immune to Jaspers' warp.This is why Jaspers' had to go toe to toe with Fury (hand to hand)
But against an IG wielder, Jaspers' can use his true power, (Warping Reality)
and I doubt he'll allow himself to succumb to BFR especially withIN his Warp,
which exponentially expands consuming everything around him including his opponent.It's hard to say who would win, but it wouldn't be an easy win either way, imo.
I agree.
You are forgetting that the IG wielder himself can Manipulate Reality on a vast scale it is IMO possible for the Wielder to perhaps make a pocket of reality around him that is restricted to being under the IG wielders control.
Originally posted by Utrigita
You are forgetting that the IG wielder himself can Manipulate Reality on a vast scale it is IMO possible for the Wielder to perhaps make a pocket of reality around him that is restricted to being under the IG wielders control.
In that case that would mean that the IG's influence over Reality is above Jaspers',
and there's no way you can prove that.
Like I said,
this would be an interesting battle indeed.
And I never gave Jaspers the win,
I simply am not sure would win between the IG and Jaspers.
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I can tell you this though,
Jaspers' Warp has no limit (Omniversal) if not somehow stopped.
IG can't claim that at all.
So in terms of who can take over Reality on a greater scale,
Jaspers can hands down.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMeh,
But against an IG wielder, Jaspers' can use his true power, (Warping Reality)
and I doubt he'll allow himself to succumb to BFR especially withIN his Warp,
which exponentially expands consuming everything around him including his opponent.
There is no way to know for sure whether or not MJJ's warps >/< what the IG can produce, and/or defend against.
To be honest,
That's an argument I wouldn't touch with a 30' pole. lol
Originally posted by Mr Master
In that case that would mean that the IG's influence over Reality is above Jaspers',
and there's no way you can prove that.Like I said,
this would be an interesting battle indeed.And I never gave Jaspers the win,
I simply am not sure would win between the IG and Jaspers.
........................................................................................I can tell you this though,
Jaspers' Warp has no limit (Omniversal) if not somehow stopped.
IG can't claim that at all.
So in terms of who can take over Reality on a greater scale,
Jaspers can hands down.
Not per say, Fury became a form of reality that MJJ couldn't Manipulate I'm wondering if the IG couldn't produce the exact same result also the things that Thanos accomplished with the reality gem alone is impressive couple that with the power gem etc would IMO make the reality gem even against Jaspers a powerful tool indeed.
No it can just claim at the least two multiverses.
But how is a battle with Jaspers starting to be exact does he already have a area ore does he start without one???
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,
This would be a speculatory argument at best.There is no way to know for sure whether or not MJJ's warps >/< what the IG can produce, and/or defend against.
I agree, this is why added:
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's hard to say who would win, but it wouldn't be an easy win either way, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
To be honest,
That's an argument I wouldn't touch with a 30' pole. lol
😂
Originally posted by Utrigita
Not per say, Fury became a form of reality that MJJ couldn't Manipulate
Actually Fury was immune to Jaspers' Warp since the 238 Reality.
He was always immune, he was created to be immune.
238 Jaspers and 616 Jaspers are equals in terms of Warping power.
And Both of them are >>> Merlyn, in terms of raw power.
It's Jaspers 616's durability that makes him the more powerful opponent.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm wondering if the IG couldn't produce the exact same result also the things that Thanos accomplished with the reality gem alone is impressive couple that with the power gem etc would IMO make the reality gem even against Jaspers a powerful tool indeed.
Ey, the IG is no joke,
and I repeat, I have never said Jaspers definitively wins against the IG.
Imo, Jaspers vs IG is closer to a stalemate than anything.
I could argue for both winning somehow,
they're both incredible,
and they're both uber gods beneath a very few cats. (if even that)
Originally posted by Utrigita
No it can just claim at the least two multiverses.
Well one for sure,
and perhaps the Prime Multiverse as well according to the LT.
Which is still phenomenol.
But I'll give em both caue I respect the IG.
But Jaspers can claim the entire Omniverse. 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
But how is a battle with Jaspers starting to be exact does he already have a area ore does he start without one???
I don't know, that's upto the thread starter.
I'll look into and see if there's any info as to what scale exactly Jaspers' Warp begins.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Fury was immune to Jaspers' Warp since the 238 Reality.He was always immune, he was created to be immune.
238 Jaspers and 616 Jaspers are equals in terms of Warping power.
And Both of them are >>> Merlyn, in terms of raw power.It's Jaspers 616's durability that makes him the more powerful opponent.
If Fury was immune to reality warping I would like you to explain this
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mjj40fq2.jpg
Fury being made into a punching back.
Ey, the IG is no joke,and I repeat, I have never said Jaspers definitively wins against the IG.
Imo, Jaspers vs IG is closer to a stalemate than anything.
I could argue for both winning somehow,
they're both incredible,
and they're both uber gods beneath a very few cats. (if even that)[/B]
I would find it more possibly to argue for a IG win then a MJJ win 😬 and agreed they are beneath a very few extremely powerful beings.
Well one for sure,
and perhaps the Prime Multiverse as well according to the LT.
Which is still phenomenol.
But I'll give em both caue I respect the IG.But Jaspers can claim the entire Omniverse. 🙂[/B]
If given the time needed according to Marvel Appendix his warp was growing slowly not very fast. Also the future that was seen wasn't that one of many ore was it precisely that???
I don't know, that's upto the thread starter.I'll look into and see if there's any info as to what scale exactly Jaspers' Warp begins. [/B]
I think It would begin with his own body.
Originally posted by Utrigita
If Fury was immune to reality warping I would like you to explain thishttp://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mjj40fq2.jpg
Fury being made into a punching back.
Here's the full sequence of that scan:
"A Month ago, the transformation would have KILLED IT"
BUT, after "absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, it LEARNS, ADAPTS"
So Jaspers has to fight Fury hand to hand the entire battle:
And on and on until Fury adapts, figures out how to win, and does.
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It's immune, because it shapeshifted right out of the Warp effortlessly.
Read the scan,
"A Month ago, the transformation would have KILLED IT"
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When Jaspers Warps you, you die, if that's what he wants.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I would find it more possibly to argue for a IG win then a MJJ win
I can't change an opinion.
Mine is, they both have a good argument.
Originally posted by Utrigita
and agreed they are beneath a very few extremely powerful beings.
👆
Originally posted by Utrigita
If given the time needed according to Marvel Appendix his warp was growing slowly not very fast.
Slowly? Marvel appendix?
Jaspers' Warp spreads at an increasingly exponential rate.
That means not only does it spread Fast,
but it actually picks up momentum and gets faster as it expands:
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006 MJJ - Bio)
"Jaspers Warp spread at an exponentially increasing rate, it engulfed the 238 Continuum in days"
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also the future that was seen wasn't that one of many ore was it precisely that???
That Future depended on Fury stopping Jaspers.
(the game Merlyn & Roma were playing)
If Fury would've failed, the Omniverse would've been a Jasper Omniverse:
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As to your question if Cobweb sees one of many futures,
No ... Cobweb only sees the definite Future, unless it's changed in the Present.
Cobweb is psychically linked to all her Past & Future selves:
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think It would begin with his own body.
I'm looking into it.
Should be Adam with IG. I remember reading online somewhere that after Adam or Thanos had the IG there was a being that felt the IG"s power somewhere else but not in the multiverse and it wanted the IG's power or to destroy it, anyone else read something like that online or know what being that was?
