Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not talking close-quarters-brawl.I'm talking, literally, punch for punch. Slugfest.
The Hulk punches Superman, Superman takes it. Superman punches the Hulk, the Hulk takes it.
No blocking, no dodging, no skill, no speed, no other powers. Just pure strength vs. durability back and forth.
[b]That's
where the Hulk could win some matches. Give Superman speed and skill, and he wins 10/10. Give him all his powers, and it's just plain embarrassing how easily he'd win. [/B]
I actually agree with that statement, because if Superman is able to use his speed, then the Hulk would see the punches coming, and by using other abilities, they could slow him down. It depends on what intensity he does heat vision and other abilities. I'm sure he could get past freeze breath and super breath, it's the heat vision and superspeed he'd mainly have to worry about.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
I actually agree with that statement, because if Superman is able to use his speed, then the Hulk would see the punches coming, and by using other abilities, they could slow him down. It depends on what intensity he does heat vision and other abilities. I'm sure he could get past freeze breath and super breath, it's the heat vision and superspeed he'd mainly have to worry about.
Superspeed, skill, his strength advantage, and higher durability is really all he needs to use.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
You are aware that they are both above 100+ tons, so if he has a strength advantage, it's not by much, right?
You are aware that both one hundred three and fourteen point seven billion are above one hundred, right? And they aren't comparable in the least, right?
You're aware that Colossus is class one hundred, and yet he is absolutely nothing compared to the likes of Superman, the Hulk, or Thor.
Please note that none of this is indicative of how I think the two, Superman and the Hulk, are ranked. I am not comparing the Hulk to Colossus, nor am I saying the Hulk is a one hundred three to Superman's fourteen or so billion.
Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. If X > 100 and Y > 100, it says absolutely nothing about the relation of X and Y.
Hulk will never logically be able to beat Superman.
Superman is almost always stronger than Hulk, he has some ways to go to work up from his base to reach Superman's strength level.
Superman is too fast for Hulk to be able to react to his attacks, and Superman would never be hit.
Superman is more durable. Period.
And Superman is more versatile.
Superman stomps Hulk.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
The Hulk may not be exactly on Superman's level of strength in his base form, but he'd still be strong enough to punch Superman hard enough so he'd feel it. Wolverine has even stated that not many people have survived a punch from the Hulk & that taking a punch from him feels like an earthquake.
You do know that in the crossover. Supes was just standing there absorbing Hulk's punches and basically laughing in his face?
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
I get that, but what I meant was that they are over a class 100, which means we don't know exactly where their strength lies. I see your point though.
actually we know have a good estimate of hulks base strength. and its much lower then superman at any given time. thus it will take awhile for him to match it
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You do know that in the crossover. Supes was just standing there absorbing Hulk's punches and basically laughing in his face?
You do realize crossovers aren't really canon? There's always a biased writer doing crossovers, just like when Goku beat Superman in a Wizard magazine.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
You do realize crossovers aren't really canon? There's always a biased writer doing crossovers, just like when Goku beat Superman in a Wizard magazine.
That isn't a crossover. Wizard doesn't own the rights to neither character so that in no way counts as anything.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
You do realize crossovers aren't really canon? There's always a biased writer doing crossovers, just like when Goku beat Superman in a Wizard magazine.
Dude, no, just no. Superman isn't as invincible as you seem to think. The Hulk's punches are going to make him move, it may not cause him a lot of pain, but he's not just going to take the hits and not feel anything at all. Superman, naturally, is going to try to gauge the Hulk's strength, and once Superman begins to get the better of him, he's going to get angrier and angrier.
However, versions of the Hulk like Maestro & Green Scar Hulk won't have to rely on anger alone, because they are more adept and smart fighters.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
Dude, no, just no. Superman isn't as invincible as you seem to think. The Hulk's punches are going to make him move, it may not cause him a lot of pain, but he's not just going to take the hits and not feel anything at all. Superman, naturally, is going to try to gauge the Hulk's strength, and once Superman begins to get the better of him, he's going to get angrier and angrier.However, versions of the Hulk like Maestro & Green Scar Hulk won't have to rely on anger alone, because they are more adept and smart fighters.
What is stopping Superman from grabbing his hand and just tossing him to the side? I'm sorry but Hulk at his base form is just going to get crushed. He won't survive long enough to even get the strength to even make Supes worry.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
Dude, no, just no. Superman isn't as invincible as you seem to think. The Hulk's punches are going to make him move, it may not cause him a lot of pain, but he's not just going to take the hits and not feel anything at all. Superman, naturally, is going to try to gauge the Hulk's strength, and once Superman begins to get the better of him, he's going to get angrier and angrier.
hulk at base is barly over 100 tons. if superman braced himself he'd eat like it was nothing. As hulk got madder then of course he'd start to feel it.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
However, versions of the Hulk like Maestro & Green Scar Hulk won't have to rely on anger alone, because they are more adept and smart fighters.
also green scar sucks at fighting compared to supes he's just a slightly better hulk that has some melee weapon training