Originally posted by SelphieT
Ha! I have plenty of reason. I just don't feel like sharing it with a jerk like you.
You said you had no problem with bands who believed in God, so why do you have a problem with metal bands that do?
They're not hardcore by the way, not really. Unless we're referring to "modern" hardcore.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You said you had no problem with bands who believed in God, so why do you have a problem with metal bands that do?They're not hardcore by the way, not really. Unless we're referring to "modern" hardcore.
-AC
Okay, let me clarify. I don't mind artists/musicians that are religious. But I don't enjoy them actually bringing it into their lyrics, and their genre.
I don't want pro-christianity in the metal music I like. That's just what I don't enjoy. shrug
I honestly don't know what genre they'd be put in, and since everyone in the thread was classifying them as "hardcore", I called them hardcore. I didn't really feel like finding out what genre you'd classify them as, but now I know. "modern hardcore".
I call them metal, I see no reason to go further, but that's been done to death.
Anyway, there's a difference between someone being a band who preaches about Christianity and a band who happen to be Christian. Norma Jean are Christians, they're not a Christian band.
Besides, it's a bit silly to act like the lyrics even matter in that genre least of all. If they were in a genre you could actually decipher them upon hearing, then fine. Chances are, they're not going to be, so for the lyricism to even have an effect, you'd have to read them first.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I call them metal, I see no reason to go further, but that's been done to death.Anyway, there's a difference between someone being a band who preaches about Christianity and a band who happen to be Christian. Norma Jean are Christians, they're not a Christian band.
Besides, it's a bit silly to act like the lyrics even matter in that genre least of all. If they were in a genre you could actually decipher them upon hearing, then fine. Chances are, they're not going to be, so for the lyricism to even have an effect, you'd have to read them first.
-AC
Very interesting. I agree. Too bad I don't like Norma Jean anyways.
Well, even if you cannot decipher the lyrics, I wouldn't find them completely useless. I mean, if you are writing lyrics that really don't matter, you might as well be in a band that doesn't even have vocals. And sometimes it's nice to actually know what they are singing about. Just because they are growling, screaming, etc. their lyrics, doesn't mean their lyrics are any less meaning than a band that sings in a way you can decipher them.
Originally posted by SelphieT
Very interesting. I agree. Too bad I don't like Norma Jean anyways.Well, even if you cannot decipher the lyrics, I wouldn't find them completely useless. I mean, if you are writing lyrics that really don't matter, you might as well be in a band that doesn't even have vocals. And sometimes it's nice to actually know what they are singing about. Just because they are growling, screaming, etc. their lyrics, doesn't mean their lyrics are any less meaning than a band that sings in a way you can decipher them.
Not at all. Lyrics are not as important to the music as the music, that's why it's called music. Vocals are/can be, lyrics are not. Vocals and lyrics are not the same thing, please do not confuse the two. If you love lyrics, that's you. YOU need the lyrics, the music does not. Music does not need lyrics, the listener may, but the music never needs it to exist.
That said, I just personally think it's really dumb to discount what might be great music simply because the words that one member of the band wrote are not to your liking. It makes absolutely no sense to be, and anyone who does it, in MY opinion, can't seriously claim to be a music fan first. Lyrics fan first.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not at all. Lyrics are not as important to the music as the music, that's why it's called music. Vocals are/can be, lyrics are not. Vocals and lyrics are not the same thing, please do not confuse the two. If you love lyrics, that's you. YOU need the lyrics, the music does not. Music does not need lyrics, the listener may, but the music never needs it to exist.That said, I just personally think it's really dumb to discount what might be great music simply because the words that one member of the band wrote are not to your liking. It makes absolutely no sense to be, and anyone who does it, in MY opinion, can't seriously claim to be a music fan first. Lyrics fan first.
-AC
I know words are different than the music itself. Everyone does.
Sure, the music is obviously the most important. Lyrics obviously aren't the most important, I never said that. But they are still at least a little part of the music, is all I'm trying to say.
I completely understand what you are trying to say, and in a lot of ways you are right. But then it just comes down to simple opinions again.
Originally posted by SelphieT
I know words are different than the music itself. Everyone does.Sure, the music is obviously the most important. Lyrics obviously aren't the most important, I never said that. But they are still at least a little part of the music, is all I'm trying to say.
I completely understand what you are trying to say, and in a lot of ways you are right. But then it just comes down to simple opinions again.
They're a part of the song, overall. Not the music, the music and the lyrics form the song. That's neither here nor there since that's probably what you meant.
I honestly wasn't trying to pick, I was just curious and wanted to understand your point better.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're a part of the song, overall. Not the music, the music and the lyrics form the song. That's neither here nor there since that's probably what you meant.I honestly wasn't trying to pick, I was just curious and wanted to understand your point better.
-AC
Oh, alright, I'll remember next time not to take anything seriously/personally when you say things like:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Brb, just eating a pizza without the base.-AC
Originally posted by Joe K
Ahh cmon, Theres gatta be someone whos in Hardcorer/Death Metal/Christian!These guy's are insane live, and if you like throwing down, then you need to check them out!
Go listen to their musicccc
Originally posted by rader
I understand what selphiet is saying. When i'm listening to a band thats supposed to sound somewhat scary/creepy/satanic/idontknow, I dont want jesus lyrics breaking the mood. you cant sing about jesus and still be scary/creepy/satanic/idontknow. And their name is very bland and tasteless.
So basically everyone is ok with "F*ck God! Yeah, Satan!", but not "God's alright, I'm quite fond of God."? Bit hypocritical.
-AC