Originally posted by DesaadEven before that...
He hasn't been a villain since IG.When he went back to his villainous ways in Annihilation, he got a hand through his heart for his troubles.
Which isn't exactly losing... cheapshotted yes... but not losing... plus, he was trying to save the universe(s) at that time as well.
He's also still considered a villain by many. And even some of his clones haven't lost (or Celestial Quest at least).
Originally posted by Bransolute
Even before that...
He got what?
The Cube smashed, the fake Gem smashed, and turned to stone by Warlock. Edged out by Magus.
That's like two actual losses.
...
How many times did he actually appear? How many people of note did he actually fight?
Mar-vell gave him a STRONG run for his money, and Mar-vell is extremely low in terms of power. Drax was beaten, but the only comparison we have for pre-dumb drax is that he is below She Hulk in strength by a fairly significant margin (see Avengers Annual 16).
His best feat was going toe to toe with Thor and Thing at the same time, and they were physically beating him -- only when he unleashed his eye beams did he get the leg up again.
He didn't fight many people pre-ressurection, but his record definitely wasn't great in those days.
Which isn't exactly losing... cheapshotted yes... but not losing... plus, he was trying to save the universe(s) at that time as well.
Well, he fully knew that Drax was coming. He could plainly see it, kept shouting no and what not. I wouldn't call it a cheap shot.
And he was still a villain in that one, IMHO. He was helping Annihilus, he struck the deal to capture Galactus, he built the Galactus Gun, etc.
He's also still considered a villain by many. And even some of his clones haven't lost (or Celestial Quest at least).
Uh, they've all lost. Thats why the universe still exists.
But its a cop out answer anyway. In battles like this you don' t take real world things like 'the villain has to lose' into account.
Thanos has a better track record than Darkseid. No doubt there, however one wants to rationalize it.
Originally posted by DesaadHe appeared more than 20 times...
How many times did he actually appear? How many people of note did he actually fight?Mar-vell gave him a STRONG run for his money, and Mar-vell is extremely low in terms of power. Drax was beaten, but the only comparison we have for pre-dumb drax is that he is below She Hulk in strength by a fairly significant margin (see Avengers Annual 16).
His best feat was going toe to toe with Thor and Thing at the same time, and they were physically beating him -- only when he unleashed his eye beams did he get the leg up again.
He didn't fight many people pre-ressurection, but his record definitely wasn't great in those days.
Mar-Vell only managed to knock him around... before he got one-shotted.
Also, Mar-Vell's pretty powerful... he's more powerful than Iron Man by a fair degree. And apparently Black Bolt in the physical game.
Drax was one-shotted... a couple times.
Stupid annual... Drax was ripping out the core of a sun and one-punching planetoids before that...
They only knocked him to the ground... that's not being beaten physically; that's being knocked to the ground.
Also, did he not take both of them out? Because he did, so I can't see how physical strength is relevant here...
He also one-shotted Thing in the same comic, and took his best shot to no effect.
He only outright lost twice though...
Originally posted by DesaadSo, because he knew he was coming it wasn't a cheapshot?
Well, he fully knew that Drax was coming. He could plainly see it, kept shouting no and what not. I wouldn't call it a cheap shot.And he was still a villain in that one, IMHO. He was helping Annihilus, he struck the deal to capture Galactus, he built the Galactus Gun, etc.
However, he never exactly loss, and when he tried to be a hero, he died. 🙂
Originally posted by DesaadCelestial Quest Thanos gave up on those plans to destroy Rot.
Uh, they've all lost. Thats why the universe still exists.But its a cop out answer anyway. In battles like this you don' t take real world things like 'the villain has to lose' into account.
Thanos has a better track record than Darkseid. No doubt there, however one wants to rationalize it.
Apparently Trickster does.
Originally posted by Bransolute
[B]He appeared more than 20 times...Mar-Vell only managed to knock him around... before he got one-shotted.
Well that makes sense, as he was a pretty weak character offensively and defensively.
He was skilled and smart, but in terms of pure power it boggles that he was so effective against Thanos.
Also, Mar-Vell's pretty powerful... he's more powerful than Iron Man by a fair degree.
I'd disagree with that. He almost died trying to deflect a missile, and was beaten by the Thing in a fight.
Drax was one-shotted... a couple times.
Stupid annual... Drax was ripping out the core of a sun and one-punching planetoids before that...
Well, I think he varied. He was obviously much weaker than Thor in the Moondragon/Ba Banis Avengers arc in which he was killed. So there is a precedent for it (though, of course, Englehart wrote both of those).
When he was depowered, presumably back to original levels, he was beaten, physically, by Adam Warlock.
They only knocked him to the ground... that's not being beaten physically; that's being knocked to the ground.
In a physical contest they overpowered him though.
Fair enough?
Also, did he not take both of them out? Because he did, so I can't see how physical strength is relevant here...
He stunned them, I'm not sure he actually got a clean win on them before the whole thing was interrupted.
He also one-shotted Thing in the same comic, and took his best shot to no effect.
Considering the Thing of that era was much weaker even than the current version...well, c'mon. Thats like saying that Darkseid is really impressive because he one shotted Big Bear.
So, because he knew he was coming it wasn't a cheapshot?
So, if someone hears something behind them, but can't react, is that a cheapshot?
If they are looking directly at the person, and they have put up force fields to stop him, and have called in help to stop him, and have been screaming about stopping him for a while...yeah, thats not a cheap shot. The fact that Drax was simply FASTER than Thanos doesn't mean that Thanos got cheap shotted.
Originally posted by DesaadHe destroyed like 5 robots that were each a match for Iron Man's strength (and they even took out Iron Man).
Well that makes sense, as he was a pretty weak character offensively and defensively.He was skilled and smart, but in terms of pure power it boggles that he was so effective against Thanos.
I'd disagree with that. He almost died trying to deflect a missile, and was beaten by the Thing in a fight.
He also badly beat Super-Skrull while he was angry. And was able to fight with Skrull before he had the Nega Bands.
He also KO'd Drax (he got up later, but still) while in the same little series (two comics) Drax was destroying suns and one-punching planets.
Also, he stood up to Thing in physical strength, and eventually took him out with a lighting shock from a wire.
Originally posted by DesaadHe seemed to vary based on series... like when Thanos had the cube, Drax was able to stalemate an energy blast with his energy blast.
Well, I think he varied. He was obviously much weaker than Thor in the Moondragon/Ba Banis Avengers arc in which he was killed. So there is a precedent for it (though, of course, Englehart wrote both of those).When he was depowered, presumably back to original levels, he was beaten, physically, by Adam Warlock.
Adam Warlock also a beast, so no worries there.
Originally posted by DesaadThey knocked him to the ground. 🙂
In a physical contest they overpowered him though.Fair enough?
Originally posted by DesaadHe KO'ed Thing in the first one, and the next time all of them were seen, He had Thor and Thing down.
He stunned them, I'm not sure he actually got a clean win on them before the whole thing was interrupted.
Originally posted by DesaadDidn't Thing knock weak Galactus down to the ground and KO weak Galactus back then (with the help of Reed)?
Considering the Thing of that era was much weaker even than the current version...well, c'mon. Thats like saying that Darkseid is really impressive because he one shotted Big Bear.
Although I'd have to check the difference of years, but still...
Originally posted by DesaadAnd if they are preoccupied with saving the fate of two universes?
If they are looking directly at the person, and they have put up force fields to stop him, and have called in help to stop him, and have been screaming about stopping him for a while...yeah, thats not a cheap shot. The fact that Drax was simply FASTER than Thanos doesn't mean that Thanos got cheap shotted.
If it was a fair fight, Drax would have most likely been destroyed.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosOkay, see , this is civil. I'll do this.
We don't know how much of Zom's power that was and Strange reigned in a good deal of that power anyway.The IM armor doesn't mean much since a) KT destroyed the one that Tony built to fight him and b) the armor was clearly created with the primary purpose of just being durable enough to deliver the nanites
What makes you think Superman and people like him couldn't one shot Thing or Ares?
Takin' out the Xmen (and other teams) are some of my fav Hulk feats. No argument here about those being good feats, but nonetheless it hardly seems beyond Superman's powers.
Stopping Juggernaut was done with an amp and is arguable anyway 😬
BB was apparently revealed to be a Skrull or something retarded like that.
We know it was enough to easily defeat Hiroim, who was said to be a peer of Hulk before WWH.
The armor still put up a fight against King Thor and this was a more powerful armor.
What amp do you refer too?
Superman one shotting class 90 characters? Don't think so.
Originally posted by DesaadMar-Vell also didn't have the Cosmic Awareness in that fight though (which gives more than you think to Mar-Vell). 🙂
That is my bad, I did mean "physically beat" again.He hardly matched him, though. It was the last ditch electrocution bit that beat the Thing, not Mar-Vell's pure power.
Originally posted by Desaad
If they are looking directly at the person, and they have put up force fields to stop him, and have called in help to stop him, and have been screaming about stopping him for a while...yeah, thats not a cheap shot. The fact that Drax was simply FASTER than Thanos doesn't mean that Thanos got cheap shotted. [/B]
Thanos was obviously preoccupied with something he considered of greater importance than his own impending danger. In that situation, his hands might as well have been bound as he was never going to use them against Drax anyway. Tell me, if coming up to someone who is not going to defend himself (even though said someone has kicked your ass in on more than one occasion previously) and breaking through a forcefield that you were given powers to break before killing said person is not a cheapshot, what is it then?