Originally posted by Photon009Considering Nova was hit with the blast and that was clearly shown, it doesnt matter if it's shown if he's hurt or not. So no, Annihilus being weakened is not an excuse because Nova got hit with the same blast, plus shielded Phyla and Peter Quill as well as himself.
It's not an excuse for Annihilus losing the battle, but it sure takes away from Nova's win. Getting hit by G's blast + Phylla's inteference + losing the Q-bands. The very fact that Nova was shielded already means that Annihilus started out weaker. Explain your lack of logical thought please.
Originally posted by Photon009 Nova was beaten down when he was a rookie with this new power, and it was right after he went insane from going all out, so he didnt want to do that again. And obviously Nova lost when Annihilus had the Q-Bands, but that doesnt make a difference here, since Annihilus didnt have the Q-Bands when he owned Quasar, and thats the Annihilus that Nova beat, putting him way above any GL. In the fight in Annihilation #6 where Nova won, the only difference from their first fight in Annihilation Nova #4 was that this time, Nova got much better control of his powers, and could go all out without being scared of himself.
So your logic in short is that Nova > Anni without Q-bands + weakened by G's blast > GL?
Plus, he already defeated both without the Q-bands.
Originally posted by Photon009 Except the heralds were not more powerful. And he didnt specifically say they were more powerful. He said they were the only ones that could get rid of Ravenous. If you had common sense, you'd know that he just didnt want to go all out to have to beat Ravenous for the reasons i mentioned earlier, so he sent the heralds after them. He simply didnt want to get his hands dirty until the final battle with Annihilus himself.
Reasons that do not stand. Ravenous was a large enough threat to the resistance forces that it was ridiculous to assume that Nova sought to avoid a fight if he was better equipped than the heralds to beat Ravenous. If you had the common sense that you keep alluding to, where exactly is it stated that he didn't want to fight Ravenous for those reasons you mentioned?
Originally posted by Photon009
Nova wins. Ion II didnt do anything a regular Green Lantern like Hal couldnt have done, and Nova's been shown to be at the top of the heap of elite top tiers, if not above. He's very underrated, i mean, the guy beat the same Annihilus that owned Quasar like he was nothing. He's also been stated to have the power to cripple the Phalanx, as well as being stated by Annihilus to be more powerful than Quasar. He also survived Galactus' big solar system-destroying blast, including shielding Phyla and Peter Quill from it. Another thing to note is, even when going toe-to-toe with Annihilus, Phyla stil had an extremely hard time breaking out of his shield that he kept up. He's also the only one to break free of the Phalanx's control. And lastly, the last time he had the Nova Force, he owned 2 Heralds, Air-Walker and Firelord, one after another, and the same Nova Force Rich has now is what Garthaan Saal had when he held his own against the combined forces of the East and West Coast Avengers, Quasar, Firelord, and the Fantastic Four. Yet people say he loses to mid level Green Lanterns like GL Kyle and John? That's ridiculous. He wins here, as i said before Ion II Kyle didnt do anything a high end GL like Hal couldnt do. You guys seriously need to check out the Nova Respect Thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t400279.html
Originally posted by Val
You're an idiot.